Tι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

[jimtrif]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

αυτος ειχε τον αγιο πετρο συνοδηγο !!!!!

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Κι άλλο ένα σήμερα ............. δυστυχώς με θύματα. Τουπόλεφ 154 με 155 (ή 168) επιβάτες. Λίγο μετά την απογείωση, έσβησαν καί οι τρεις κινητήρες και προσγειώθηκε στο αεροδρόμιο του Domodedovo.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/wo...oscow-after-all-3-engines-fail-111314329.html

Η εταιρεία λέγεται Dagestan Airlines ..........http://www.dagair.ru/ (γιά όσους θέλουν να κλείσουν θέσεις).

 

[vasada]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Ολα τα λεφτα το animation με τα αεροπλανα που πηγαινοερχονται.

Προσωπικα προτιμω αυτην http://www.drukair.com.bt/PG_Home.aspx

H μοναδικη εταιρια που ειναι πιστοποιημενη για πτησεις απο/προς το αεροδρομιο του Paro.

http://www.google.gr/images?q=paro+airport&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=KNH8TKG1PI-y8QPIlZD2Cw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CEwQsAQwBA&biw=1277&bih=818

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Jet makes emergency landing after dog bites ......................:vroam:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40532237/ns/travel-news/

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Ενοχη η Continental Airlines για το Concorde


http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=11381&subid=2&pubid=45424951

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Αλλο ένα ατύχημα στο Νεπάλ με 19 επιβάτες καί 3 πλήρωμα. Οι πρώτες πληροφορίες αναφέρουν ότι πήρε φωτιά λίγο μετά την απογείωση.

Η εταιρέια λέγεται Tara Air (subsidary of Yeti Airlines) registration 9N-AFX καί το αεροσκάφος ήταν Twin Otter (Καναδάς):

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm177/JohnathanKing/DH6-300.jpg

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Κι άλλο ένα Τουπόλεφ 154 ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12103190

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Βρεθηκαν τα συντριμια της AF447 στον Ατλαντικό, σχεδον 2 χρονια μετα το ατυχημα!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12953432

http://www.sxminfo.com/04/04/2011/crash-rio-paris-les-premieres-images-de-lavion/

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Το πόρισμα (αρχικό) για το 747 της UPS στο Ντουμπάι:

http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublicat...CAA Accident Preliminary Report B747 DXB .pdf

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

http://www.flightradar24.com/

Γι αυτούς που θέλουν να ξέρουν αν η πεθερά τους έφυγε από τον προορισμό της on time!

Ενα "κλικ" στο αεροπλάνο ........ καί θα το μάθετε!

 

[Kostas_Y]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

http://www.flightradar24.com/

Γι αυτούς που θέλουν να ξέρουν αν η πεθερά τους έφυγε από τον προορισμό της on time!

Ενα "κλικ" στο αεροπλάνο ........ καί θα το μάθετε!

Ένα παρόμοιο site: FlightStats

Ζωντανά απο τον Πύργο Ελέγχου: LiveATC

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Μία εκτίμηση για το ατύχημα του A-330 στη Λιβύη.

An article in a Dutch magazine:

(improved Google translation)


By Harald Doornbos | 12 Mei 2011 - 11:57

BENGHAZI - Afriqiyah Airways flight 771 has crashed because of a catastrophic combination of six cases of gross negligence by Libya's crew, the control tower and the airline itself. So says Naser Amer, pilot and former flight safety officer of Afriqiyah Airways, in an exclusive interview with correspondent Harald Doornbos for HP/De Tijd. From the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi for the first time Amer brings clarity about the disaster in which exactly one year ago, 103 people died, including 67 Dutch.

Amer indicates an accumulation of failures, including six crucial. First, not the experienced captain, but a young first officer was at the controls of the disaster plane which was en route from Johannesburg to Tripoli. This first officer made a crucial error just before the crash by pushing the nose down instead of up. When this happened the captain did not intervene to prevent the crash. Earlier, the control tower in Tripoli sent the plane to the wrong runway. To make matters worse, there was two weeks before the crash, on a flight from London to Tripoli, a near-accident with exactly the same plane and same crew. This creates suspicions that something was wrong with the airplane. Against all internal rules of Afriqiyah this near-accident was not reported by the captain. Computer data of this near-collision reached Naser Amer far too late. Not within three days, as it should, but only after thirteen days - just half a day before the accident that killed the Dutchmen. In any event, too late for Amer to keep the captain and first officer of the disaster plane on the ground.

Naser Amer, who graduated from Oxford University in 1977, was until February this year one of the executives within Afriqiyah. He worked for thirty years as a pilot and instructor in Switzerland and Libya, he got training at Schiphol airport among other places. Amer was not part of the official inquiry into the disaster, but as a pilot and flight safety officer of Afriqiyah, he nevertheless was closely involved in the investigation. For example, with support of the Slovenian airline Adria he made an accurate simulation of the flight path of the disaster flight. Also, Amer was kept informed by Afriqiyah colleagues of the investigation. Amer reported these findings directly to the Director of Afriqiyah. As flight safety officer, he had the power to "suspend or investigate any pilot of Afriqiyah".
Amer fled on February 19, two days after the outbreak of a popular uprising in Libya, from Tripoli to Switzerland, where he has a house. Until that time he was a pilot and flight safety officer. From Switzerland, he traveled to Benghazi in eastern Libya. Previously he was forced to fly pro-Gaddafi-mercenaries of the city Sirte to his birthplace Benghazi. "I did not want to participate in Gaddafi's terror," said Amer. "So I fled". "I suppose I'm fired now".

"It was a cloudy day with lots of low clouds," recalls Naser Amer the day of the fatal accident. "The plane was told to land on runway 09 by the control tower". That is not good compared with runway 27, where you can land on autopilot. "Runway 09 only has the possibility of a non-precision landing with the inferior VOR-system."
Why the control tower did not allow the pilot of flight 771 to land on the safer runway 27, is according to Amer part of what he calls "the Libyan mentality. "You can not as a pilot go in debate with the tower," he says. "They give you an assignment and you must adhere to it. The tower prefers runway 09 because it is easier for them. "So they do not have to look at the sun. "
What would have happened if flight 771 had been sent to runway 27? "There would have been no disaster." says Amer decidedly. "Then the plane would have landed safely."
When the landing was then attempted to the more primitive runway 09 it became clear that the airplane could not land because of low clouds. Upon this the pilot decided to do a 'go-around'. This means that the landing is abandoned and the plane climbs, flies around and attempts a new landing. But instead of pulling the plane up, the pilot pushed the plane down, making it hit the ground and crash.

The main points of Naser Ames' story are confirmed by a second pilot in Libya, who wishes to remain anonymous but whose name and credentials are known to the author. This pilot, also a Libyan, was with his plane at the runway waiting for permission for departure to an oil field in central Libya when Flight 771 crashed. "I saw a cloud of smoke and then I immediately contacted the control tower," he recalls the time of the accident on May 12, 2010. "I do not believe that the tower had already realized that there had been an accident. I also did not know exactly, because it was a big cloud of smoke. But I feared already in the first seconds the worst."
According to this pilot, who was less involved in the investigation into the disaster than Naser Amer, choosing the wrong runway was crucial. "The control tower has made a big mistake by letting the aircraft land on Runway 09, and not on 27," he says. "I have no idea why they are so insistent on it."-
"The weather has only played a minor role during the disaster," says the anonymous pilot. "As the plane just before the accident flight had just landed normally at Tripoli airport. They did not do a 'go-around'. They saw a hole in the clouds and just landed safely. Then came flight 771, which made a go-around - but that went wrong. "

Back to pilot Naser Amer. Until now, everyone assumes that the pilot of the plane was experienced captain Yusuf El-Saadi. This is not true according to Naser Amer. "It was the first officer Tariq [Mousa, ed] in control at the time of the crash." Why not the captain who had more experience? "We do not know," said Amer.
According to Amer captain El-Saadi, based on data from the voice recorder, gave control to first officer Tariq one hour after leaving Johannesburg. Subsequently, captain El-Saadi left the cockpit and he slept a few hours. This is a normal procedure, because with a captain sleeping outside the cockpit there still remain two co-pilots: first officer Tareq Mousa and second officer Nazem El-Mabruk.
According to the voice recorder sixty minutes before landing captain El-Saadi returned to the cockpit, but the controls remained until the last moment in the hands of first officer Tariq Mousa.
"Instead of the go-around and back upward, the plane dived down and crashed," says Amer. "Whether that was a mistake of the first officer or perhaps a fault of the aircraft, we do not know. For even the French - investigating the plane - have not finished their investigation. "

As the plane just before the crash flew down instead of up, captain El-Saadi, sitting next to first officer Mousa, still could have intervened quickly and take control. But somehow the captain did nothing. According to Amer, on the CVR the voice of the second officer is audible shouting in panic the half sentence, "What's wrong with the c..."
Further analysis of the CVR of this particular phrase has led researchers to believe that the second officer would say: "What is wrong with the captain?"
"It could be that captain El-Saadi was so shocked by the steering error that he could not intervene," Amer guesses. "It could also be that something was wrong with the captain. That he had a heart attack or was unconscious. But we are not sure. "
Amer knows the killed crew personally. "Captain El-Saadi was a good friend of mine. We have studied together at Oxford. "

It is shocking that the disaster totally could have been avoided if Afriqiyah two weeks earlier had complied with its own rules better. On April 28, 2010 namely there is an Afriqiyah Airways flight from London to Tripoli. This is exactly the same plane that crashes fourteen days later. Captain El-Saadi and co-pilot Mousa are present. As in the May 12 disaster flight on April 28 there are low clouds in Tripoli.
"Also during this flight the pilot was first officer Tariq," says Amer. "Captain El-Saadi sat beside him." Because of the clouds the pilot wanted to make a go-around, which is a standard action for pilots. But instead of pulling up the nose of the plane went right down. "Just before the plane hit the ground, captain El-Saadi could luckily intervene and correct first officer Tariq in time," says Amer. "I always say that the crash of the plane from Johannesburg should have happened two weeks earlier, with the plane from London."
Problem for flight safety officer Amer was that captain El-Saadi and first pilot Tariq Mousa concealed the very serious incident on the London flight.
"Of course they should have reported this incident to me, but they have not done so," says Amer. "So I was not aware of this near-accident. If I had known I would have suspended them and have an investigation carried out. Then two weeks later, the disaster of the Johannesburg flight would never have taken place. "

Because Afriqiya has a second recording system, the non-reporting of the near-crash during the London flight would be discovered otherwise. "We check all data of all our flights through a system called Airface," says Amer. "This is how I as flight safety officer still have found that almost an accident had occurred during the Tripoli-London flight on April 28. But the company that supplies us with this data is messy and slow. Officially they are supposed to give us the data of a flight three days after the flight. But there was a problem to get the data from the airport to our office. These guys are not organized. The data of the London-Tripoli flight reached our office only until thirteen days later, at the end of the afternoon. The data was loaded in our computers on may 11, but by then we had already left our office. The next day we were going to analyse the London-Tripoli-flight, but before we came to it, the disaster took place with the flight from Johannesburg. "

The reason Naser Amer now breaks the silence about the true nature of the disaster, is because he wants the Netherlands to know the truth. "I can speak freely because I am no longer in the area of Gaddafi," he says. "Gaddafi ruled Libya not as a country, but as his own farm. There was corruption, people were disorganized and did not take their responsibility. Ultimately it goes wrong and that will cost many human lives."
The anonymous pilot says: "There are many mistakes. The tower made the plane land on the wrong runway and the go-around went inexplicably wrong. Here people have dropped the ball."
Naser Amer says he regrets what happened. "Terrible, all those people who have died - most of them were Dutch," he says. "Hereby I condole all survivors. It is a tragedy for the Libyans, the South Africans and especially the Dutch people."

link (with picture):
Een jaar na de ramp: 'Er zijn veel fouten gemaakt' - HP/De Tijd


Κρίμα γιά τους 103 επιβάτες (αν αληθεύει η ιστορία)

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

B-767 της Delta από το Ντάλλας στο Σαο Πάολο:

Κατά την απογείωση έσκασε το ένα λάστιχο καί απλά συνέχισαν το 10ωρο ταξίδι καί προσγείωθηκαν κανονικότατα.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66mlsFwB9I&feature=player_embedded

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Αν κάποιος είναι λάτρης της περιπέτειας καί θέλει να πετάξει με τα περιφημα DC-3, στην Κολομβία ακόμα πετάνε!!!!!

Καί το σχετικό βίντεο:

The daredevil pilots of Colombia

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/riskingitall/2011/05/201151112305049621.html

Καλό ταξίδι. arty:

 

[Kostas_Y]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Αν κάποιος είναι λάτρης της περιπέτειας καί θέλει να πετάξει με τα περιφημα DC-3, στην Κολομβία ακόμα πετάνε!!!!!




Καί το σχετικό βίντεο:

The daredevil pilots of Colombia

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/riskingitall/2011/05/201151112305049621.html

Καλό ταξίδι. arty:

Και στην Αλάσκα πετάνε. Ψάξε να βρεις κανένα επεισόδιο της σειράς Ice Pilots. Ψιλο-reality για τη Buffalo air που έχει DC-3 και άλλα "προπολεμικά"

 

[karalrs]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

B-767 της Delta από το Ντάλλας στο Σαο Πάολο:

Κατά την απογείωση έσκασε το ένα λάστιχο καί απλά συνέχισαν το 10ωρο ταξίδι καί προσγείωθηκαν κανονικότατα.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66mlsFwB9I&feature=player_embedded

στα πολεμικά αεροσκάφη πάντως ανάλογα με την ταχύτητα που εχεις είτε ματαιώνεις είτε συνεχίζεις την απογειωση.
επίσης δεν σηκώνεις το σύστημα γιατι υπάρχει φόβος μην εχουν πάει τιποτα κομματια λάστιχο στους μηχανισμούς και το κάνεις χειρότερο

 

[vasada]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Σε τετοιου μεγεθους αεροσκαφη και σε αυτη τη φαση, ειναι αντιληπτο απο τους πιλοτους το σκασιμο ενος ελαστικου?

Το βιντεο απο την προσγειωση που ειναι?

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Σε τετοιου μεγεθους αεροσκαφη και σε αυτη τη φαση, ειναι αντιληπτο απο τους πιλοτους το σκασιμο ενος ελαστικου?

Το βιντεο απο την προσγειωση που ειναι?

Στο Β767 υπάρχει αυτή η δυνατότητα, αλλά όχι στο βασικό εξοπλισμό. Μόνο σαν "εξτρά"!!!!!! :BDGBGDB55:

(σελίδα 111 στο link)

http://www.smartcockpit.com/data/pdfs/plane/boeing/b767/misc/B767_Flightdeck_and_Avionics.pdf

Οσο γιά το βίντεο της προσγείωσης ............ μάλλον ατυχήσαμε.

Πληροφοριακά το 767 "έμεινε" στο Σαο Πάολο.

 

[Χιωτης]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Εδω φωτογραφιες σε μια επεισοδιακη προσγειωση με παρα παρα πολυ χιονι. Ευτυχως δεν ατυχησαμε οπως το αεροπλανο που θα δειτε γερμενο στο πλαι. Ειμασταν η τελευταια πτηση που επετραπη η προσγειωση, μετα το αεροδρομιο εκλεισε για μερικες ημερες. Ιανουαριος 2008 Otopeni Airport.

 

[Spartiatis]

Re: τι γίνεται με τα αεροπλάνα???

Αφιερωμένο σ' αυτούς που σκοπεύουν να πετάξουν με την Air India .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31YWLlCG6y8