Von Shweikert Vr-33 Vr-35

VetNik

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http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue50/vonschweikert_jolida.htm

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The front driver layout uses a D'Appolito array that radiates horizontally to diffuse sound as it minimizes first reflections from the floor and ceiling, while the back includes the 10-inch rear-facing bass driver, a very large port, and a single set of high-quality binding posts. Crossed over at 80Hz, where wavelengths wrap around the speaker, the Vortex is designed to work with your rear wall while giving the impression the bass is emanating from the front of the speaker. The entire cabinet is wrapped in a "sock" of black (there may be other colors available soon) fabric, with top and bottom covers of stained wood. Albert was very emphatic that this speaker was all about performance, not cosmetics. Yes, the money went into the components, although the VR-33 is no ugly ducking. Overall, a very nice balance.
 

VetNik

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και ψαχνωντας λιγο στο audiocircle...

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=77929.100


WHY THE VR-33 ARE TO BE PLACED CLOSE TO THE WALL

I had two design goals for the VR-33 engineering platform. The first goal was to build an extremely high performance speaker for a low price. The second goal was to build a speaker that could be placed against the wall, since we have had literally thousands of requests for this type of product. Perhaps it is the Gestalt created by the change from large-box TV sets to flat panel sets? Perhaps there are legions of people with shallow rooms that cannot use a speaker placed out into the room? Perhaps our wives' opinions are important?

As audiophiles, we have all gotten used to placing our speakers out into the room, feeling that a compromise would be made if the speakers were too close to the wall - either the depth would suffer, or the bass would "boom out" and create bad sound. However, friends, this is not a "law of physics," but a mistaken belief propagated by the simple fact that almost every speaker on the market is designed for "free- field" placement. It is quite true that a free-field design will indeed sound bad when placed against the wall, since it was not designed for that application.

The VR-33 was designed from the outset to be placed against the wall, and will actually sound worse if placed 4 or 5 feet into the room! The wall behind the speaker was factored into the sound wave projection pattern of the VR-33, which includes both the bass reproduction and transient response, as well as depth perception.

Although depth is thought to be created by placing the speakers away from the walls, this not the case - depth of field depends entirely on the recording. The beta testers who have the VR-33 will testify that this design has more depth than conventional speakers. This is the result of knowing how the speaker will behave in the room, since the common denominator will be the wall.....

We did not design a "trick" to create depth, we simply designed the VR-33 to recreate exactly what is on the recording when placed against the wall, so you must realize that the crossover design, radiation pattern, and cabinet shape all contribute to this accomplishment. Although there have been several other companies that have designed speakers to be placed in or on the wall, the VR-33 is unique in the balance of it's entire sound quality- the tremendous bass response and dynamic range are simply "icing on the cake" so to speak.

I hope that this explanation will have you thinking about how much science is involved in listening to a stereo system - a 3-D sound-field is an illusion that is magnificent and mysterious at the same time! Borrow the book from the library entitled "Psychoacoustics," written by two German scientists named Fastl and Zwicker. I have conducted research in this field for 30 years and it still amazes me how our ear/brain hearing mechanism operates - it's a fascinating subject! I will agree with the beta testers that the VR-33 has "miles" of depth, but my research simply follows in the tradition of the research of hundreds of scientists before me, including my mentor, Dr. Richard C. Heyser. Read his books on measurements and perception to learn even more about how and why we hear the effect of depth perception and image localization. Fascinating reading!

Happy Listening,
Albert Von Schweikert
 

VetNik

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τιμή <4000$!!


VR-33 SPECIFICATIONS

Size – 50” tall x 8” wide (front) x 16” wide (rear) x 12” deep.
Frequency Response – 20Hz to 30kHz, +/- 3dB.
Impedance – 4 ohms nominal, high-current amplifier recommended.
Weight – 103 lbs per side, raw, 150 lbs in crate (each).
Subwoofer – Peerless 10” with Low Distortion Motor, laminated composite
cone, elevated spider, long throw design, and copper clad pole piece.
Midrange – Two 6” treated paper cast-frame bass-mids with Low Distortion
Motor, elevated spider, copper clad pole piece.
Tweeter – 1” treated fabric dome, Dual Ring design with rear chamber for
low resonance and response down to the midrange band, Low Distortion Motor, and specialized voice coil/top plate design for long throw, high power use.
Woofer Alignment – Quasi-transmission line design using three chambers,
each tuned to a different resonant frequency to extend the bandwidth and reduce “one note bass” typical of ported boxes. Woofer “fires” at rear wall to boost the bass at 20Hz by 3dB, can be “tuned” by user.
Power Rating – 25 watts minimum, up to 500 watts on peak music.
Warranty – Three years parts and labor (excluding abuse), non transferable.
 

kpaiss

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και γιατι τοσο φτηνα αποφασισαν να το δωσουν ?
 

VetNik

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και γιατι τοσο φτηνα αποφασισαν να το δωσουν ?

FACTORY DIRECT PRICING
In stores, this speaker would sell for $6,995 with the fabric wrap design. If it were veneered or painted, you would expect to pay $15,000 for this speaker. By buying Factory Direct, your price is only $3,750/pr, which is an Introductory Price for the first 100 buyers. This is an amazing price for a hand-built speaker, made in California, using the world’s best speaker components!
 

VetNik

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ok η τιμη ειναι σουπερ και μπραβο!
απο τεχνικη σκοπια ομως?
το τεραστιο soundstage που ακουν ολοι σε αυτο το ηχειο με τι "πονηρια" εχει επιτευχθει? με τι κοστος?
 

kpaiss

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FACTORY DIRECT PRICING
In stores, this speaker would sell for $6,995 with the fabric wrap design. If it were veneered or painted, you would expect to pay $15,000 for this speaker. By buying Factory Direct, your price is only $3,750/pr, which is an Introductory Price for the first 100 buyers. This is an amazing price for a hand-built speaker, made in California, using the world’s best speaker components!

Καλη κινηση και σωστο μαρκετινγκ.
Κριμα που τα 100 κομματια θα φυγουν σε μια μερα.
Παντως και τα 6.900 μια χαρα τιμη ειναι αν παιζει φυσικα συμφωνα με τις καταβολες του.
 

VetNik

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Καλη κινηση και σωστο μαρκετινγκ.
Κριμα που τα 100 κομματια θα φυγουν σε μια μερα.
Παντως και τα 6.900 μια χαρα τιμη ειναι αν παιζει φυσικα συμφωνα με τις καταβολες του.

βαριεμαι να το ψαξω αλλα εχω δει οτι η τιμη τελικα παραμενει η ιδια λογω της μεγαλης ζητησης!! στην ευρωπη η εκδοση VR-35 θα ειναι λιγο ποιο ακριβη, νομιζω 600$ η κατι τετοιο!!!
 

ln()

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Ο Vandersteen το λέει εδώ και 30 χρόνια ότι το ακριβότερο πράγμα στο ηχείο είναι το φινίρισμα της καμπίνας, γι' αυτό τα τυλίγει απλά με πανί. Τώρα τον ακούνε κι άλλοι.
Πάντως, αν σκεφτείς πόσο πολύ το θέλουν οι πελάτες, ηχεία σχεδιασμένα για να παίζουν κοντά στον τοίχο είναι ελάχιστα. Μόνο κάποια Naim μου έρχονται στο μυαλό... Κι όμως στο Loudspeakers Designer Cookbook αφιερώνει αρκετές σελίδες στο πώς πρέπει να σχεδιάσεις το κροσόβερ για να εκμεταλλευτείς σωστά μια τοποθέτηση κοντά στους τοίχους.
 

kpaiss

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ok η τιμη ειναι σουπερ και μπραβο!
απο τεχνικη σκοπια ομως?
το τεραστιο soundstage που ακουν ολοι σε αυτο το ηχειο με τι "πονηρια" εχει επιτευχθει? με τι κοστος?

Παντως και τα Chario εχουν αυτο το χαρακτηριστικο και πολυ θα ηθελα να μαθω το πως τελικα το επιτυγχανουν.
Λενε για τα δικα τους tweeter αλλα πρωτον η μποτια ακουγεται 3 μετρα πισω απο τα ηχεια που εκει δεν παιζει ρολο το tweeter και δευτερον και τα πιο παλια μοντελα με το μιλενιουμ της seas , ειχαν απιστευτο βαθος σε ολο το φασμα.
 

Χιούστον

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Δίπλα στον economides...
Απάντηση: Re: Von Shweikert Vr-33 Vr-35

Επανάληψις προς εμπέδωσιν εκ μέρους των απανταχού χαϊεντάδων.

Γενικά μιλάει η για το δικό του φινίρισμα? Γιατί δεν θα έλεγα ότι είναι το δυνατό του σημείο έτσι και αλλιώς...
 

kpaiss

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Πουλαει 4.000 με κερδος και λεει οτι με φινιρισμα θα εκανε 15.000.
Αυτο που μαλλον θελει να πει ο ΚΚ στους απανταχου χαινταδες ειναι οτι , οτι παραπανω απο 3-4 χιλιαδες δωσεις αυτα δεν πανε αναγκαια σε ανωτερη μουσικη αναπαραγωγη αλλα πιθανον σε "βιτρινα"....
 

economides

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Αθηνα !!!!
Πουλαει 4.000 με κερδος και λεει οτι με φινιρισμα θα εκανε 15.000.
Αυτο που μαλλον θελει να πει ο ΚΚ στους απανταχου χαινταδες ειναι οτι , οτι παραπανω απο 3-4 χιλιαδες δωσεις αυτα δεν πανε αναγκαια σε ανωτερη μουσικη αναπαραγωγη αλλα πιθανον σε "βιτρινα"....

Πουλάει 4,000$ factory direct , έχει σημασία αυτό, αν προσθέσεις αντιπροσώπους, dealers και ανάλογα τη χώρα δασμούς αλλάζει άρδην η τιμολόγηση.
 

kpaiss

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29 November 2006
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Πουλάει 4,000$ factory direct , έχει σημασία αυτό, αν προσθέσεις αντιπροσώπους, dealers και ανάλογα τη χώρα δασμούς αλλάζει άρδην η τιμολόγηση.

Δεν διαφωνω καθολου.
 

Magellan

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Re: Απάντηση: Re: Von Shweikert Vr-33 Vr-35

Γενικά μιλάει η για το δικό του φινίρισμα? Γιατί δεν θα έλεγα ότι είναι το δυνατό του σημείο έτσι και αλλιώς...

Οντως!...Το φινίρισμα ΔΕΝ ήταν το δυνατό του σημείο...
Αν και από ότι φαίνεται τελευταία, το έχει βελτιώσει αισθητά..
 

analyze_it

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Originally Posted by VetNik
FACTORY DIRECT PRICING
In stores, this speaker would sell for $6,995 with the fabric wrap design. If it were veneered or painted, you would expect to pay $15,000 for this speaker.



Επανάληψις προς εμπέδωσιν εκ μέρους των απανταχού χαϊεντάδων.


Επομένως, Κώστα, μιλάμε για Hi-End .... βαφή (δεν εξηγείται αλλιώς :nounder: ....)
 

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