Πάντως τα πρώτα report το βγάζουν ανώτερο από τα υπάρχοντα high-end BD players και αν και το DVD-A1UB έχει τον ίδιο επεξεργαστή εικόνας με το 3800 τότε μάλλον στην εικόνα το Pioneer θα κερδίζει.
Επίσης υπάρχει και το θέμα της τιμής που θα είναι σχεδόν διπλή για το Denon.
Δείτε κι εδώ:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1054544&page=56
Και απ'ότι διαβάζω εδω και τους πιστεύω πάλι Realta και ξερό ψωμί. Δεν ξέρω αλλά από τότε που η Denon άρχισε να πουλάει καλώδιο RJ45 500$ και το ονομάζει Denon Link (my ass) έχω αρχίσει να πιστεύω ότι τα πρώην στελέχη της SONY στην D&M holdings είναι ΠΟΛΥ πονηρά ατομάκια.
Βεβαιά πετάει κι 2 XLR έτσι για να δικαιολογεί την τιμή. Είδωμεν όταν κυκλοφορήσει βέβαια...
Αντιγραφή το post #16664
"I followed the link Chris24 left above and found some more comments.
These may be in this tread somewhere but ohh well. Its all good, I'm going to order one Monday..
This was translated from a french site which also transplated from a Japan site..
MOZ says: Otherwise Nippon on AVS ... a Japanese man who had the opportunity to attend a comparative test between the Denon 3800 vs Sony vs S5000ES LX-91 ... is absolutely rave about the big Pioneer. He said that it overwrites all other image, as on DVD and that the BD is also a huge massacre.
50 people present, even advice for all ...
Ca promet!
Japan says: Today I went to the big comparison of Blu-Ray and I was able to use the LX-91 for about 2 hours. I saw the new Denon universal player (I posted the Denon Denon already in the thread so I'll just copy and paste here). I will join the additional part of the pioneer post:
Well, I saw the beast [denon A1UD-DVD], but I could not see online, because they said it was not yet ready. Announcement of the press (international) will be December 5, internationally. It goes on sale in Japan in February or March. The official price is 546,000 yen. To compare the official price of the LX-91 is 433,000 yen.
The name is A1UD-DVD, the design is exactly the same as the SX. It reads DVD-Audio, SACD, HDCD, BD, DVD.
The video should not be very different from 3800, with the same Realta processor. There are two HDMI, one for audio, one for video.
Balanced L / R output. Dif dual 32-bit for each channel. No Wifi, no i.LINK.
The audio should be the most impressive part of the machine, the best QB ever poll (with analog). For CD / SACD, it should be very good, but worse than a CD for the same price. But I could not listen.
It seems just like what we all expected. I am a little disappointed with the video (same as 3800). Everyone should check the homepage of Japanese Denon December 5, there should be lots of info. A large pad for me is that this player in zone 2 (Japan) does not play PAL.
To compare, I try the main player QB comparison test audio and video (in order of price): Panasonic BW930, the 3rd generation BR recorder / player Denon 3800 / Sony 5000 / Pioneer LX-91
Panasonic first comparison BW930 vs Denon 3800, the sound is better with Denon, the picture is quite similar. However, both are lost to Sony and the LX-91.
For video, the LX-91 has a better gradation of color, contrast, sharpness and noise reduction. The biggest difference is the 3D aspect of the LX-91. We tested Blade Runner and Kill Bill 2. Blade Runner for the dark area and noise and kill the bill to move quickly and color (Uma fight against the lady in black, check the bus when her daughter arrived and roses outside the kitchen). Projectors: both the new JVC and Sony.
For audio, we used the HDMI and pre Marantz / Pro 8002, we tested Master Order (Chapter 2, I suppose), Panasonic has been too boomy, Denon was a little confusing, but better than Panasonic. The Sony seems very nice but, of course, the Pioneer (using Pure Audio Mode dedicated to HDMI) was much better, clarity, spatialization, the explosion was so clear and dynamic. I asked to be compared with the analogue, but they have no cable. More details about the Pioneer on the wire.
The new super Denon seems very impressive, but the design is not so good, the video is below Pioneer LX-91 and analog audio and probably better. Digital audio probably in the same league
I spent part of the afternoon with the product manager of the LX-91:
- As you have heard from the previous section, it is actually the best Blu-ray video, even the new Denon will not do better.
- I tested a DVD and a DVD PAL NTSC, PAL DVD can be issued up to 1080p but not 24p, it was looking beautiful with the new projector from JVC, it seemed really HD, each body has been impressed. We compared with the Denon 3800, the Pioneer has been more of a headache, I had a tip DVDO upscale and Pioneer is much better too, noise reduction, contrast, sharpness. It is a dream. With the hard NTSC, SW 1 episode, it looks a bit worse than the Pal (always 480 <525), but the work of 24p was like a charm and he was so bon.C 'is the best player DVD in the world without doubt a very long time. The product manager assured me that his engineer has spent considerable time and resources to provide the video quality possible, and each part is homemade and developed by Pioneer.
- Qdeo processor is developed with Pioneer and is different with other products using Qdeo stuff. Pioneer really wanted to have the best possible image.
- The production of 48-bit signal, signal processing is done with 16-bit (it increases the quality significantly compared with 8-bit processing) and then the output is made according to your view on the new Kuro TV, max is 12 bit it was 12 bits (ie 36).
- For the analog section, yes, it is a state of the art, but they recommend using the HDMI output dedicated to the pure audio mode if you have the LX-90. But of course it depends on the taste and the room. If you need a lot of room correction, HDMI will be better.
- They know that the link is not selected, it will be in the first firmware update, as well as BD-live and DTS-MA decoding trainee.
- There is a reduction IC that reduces jitter over HDMI Jitter for each CD / DVD / BD. It is a great advance and was very noticeable in the blind. OMG, it was really poll much better than the Sony 5000 and BD3800.
- For PQLS is only for the CD, but I think that for the CD, it is better to use the analog output.
- Compared to the LX-51 or 71 depending on the country, it's really not the same league, the video processor, all due to the construction of the image and sounds so much better.
- I do not know if it relates to people outside of Japan but if you save your movie from the broadcast HD (1080i or others) with protection against copying, you can play them back on the LX-91 and you Even leaving in 1080 / 24p if it's a movie.
- She plays and films DivX/MP3/WMA9/JPEG AVCHD (from HD camera).
Everyone was so impressed, it is a beast, I will probably buy it and do it before Christmas, but I'm still hesitant because I'd like to see the new Denon in action, although usually I do not really Denon CD / SACD player and the treatment AL32 work only with analog.
To cheers yours
Japan says: Other things I said about the new Denon thread about the LX-91:
The BD3800 has been optimized by technicians from Denon, the same for the LX-91. Even people Denon agreed that there was a difference with the LX-91, but it is almost double the price in Japan.
There was a lengthy comparison between Sony and Pioneer. Both calibrated and optimized by their own engineer (Sony and Pioneer). Of course, it is not a huge difference in the video.
I would say on video:
BD3800: 7 / 10
S5000: 8.5/10
LX-91: 10/10
Specifically Blade Runner was a good test, he was executed simultaneously on two screens with the same new Sony projector.
If you want more details on LX-91/S5000:
- Many more pictures in 3 dimensions (even my wife noticed it).
- Contrast is stronger without saturating the image. Sony is a little worse on this point.
- [On screen] 120inch, 1.5 m, I could not see any noise in the dark scene of Blade Runner on both [players].
- The movement is smooth with the LX-91, it looks always the focus.
- There were about 50 people in the room and almost everyone agrees. But once again the price is 40% higher.
- For DVD, the LX-91 is far from anything in the world, even DVDO processor. We watched the brotherhood of wolves, and it was looking as well as my HD-DVD version. Some people thought it was a "Blu-Ray. No noise, no wrong in the larger scale. Then we compared with the Realta the Denon and BD3800 has been so much worse, I am d 'agreement itself, it was the best so far."
Επίσης υπάρχει και το θέμα της τιμής που θα είναι σχεδόν διπλή για το Denon.
Δείτε κι εδώ:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1054544&page=56
Και απ'ότι διαβάζω εδω και τους πιστεύω πάλι Realta και ξερό ψωμί. Δεν ξέρω αλλά από τότε που η Denon άρχισε να πουλάει καλώδιο RJ45 500$ και το ονομάζει Denon Link (my ass) έχω αρχίσει να πιστεύω ότι τα πρώην στελέχη της SONY στην D&M holdings είναι ΠΟΛΥ πονηρά ατομάκια.
Βεβαιά πετάει κι 2 XLR έτσι για να δικαιολογεί την τιμή. Είδωμεν όταν κυκλοφορήσει βέβαια...
Αντιγραφή το post #16664
"I followed the link Chris24 left above and found some more comments.
These may be in this tread somewhere but ohh well. Its all good, I'm going to order one Monday..
This was translated from a french site which also transplated from a Japan site..
MOZ says: Otherwise Nippon on AVS ... a Japanese man who had the opportunity to attend a comparative test between the Denon 3800 vs Sony vs S5000ES LX-91 ... is absolutely rave about the big Pioneer. He said that it overwrites all other image, as on DVD and that the BD is also a huge massacre.
50 people present, even advice for all ...
Ca promet!
Japan says: Today I went to the big comparison of Blu-Ray and I was able to use the LX-91 for about 2 hours. I saw the new Denon universal player (I posted the Denon Denon already in the thread so I'll just copy and paste here). I will join the additional part of the pioneer post:
Well, I saw the beast [denon A1UD-DVD], but I could not see online, because they said it was not yet ready. Announcement of the press (international) will be December 5, internationally. It goes on sale in Japan in February or March. The official price is 546,000 yen. To compare the official price of the LX-91 is 433,000 yen.
The name is A1UD-DVD, the design is exactly the same as the SX. It reads DVD-Audio, SACD, HDCD, BD, DVD.
The video should not be very different from 3800, with the same Realta processor. There are two HDMI, one for audio, one for video.
Balanced L / R output. Dif dual 32-bit for each channel. No Wifi, no i.LINK.
The audio should be the most impressive part of the machine, the best QB ever poll (with analog). For CD / SACD, it should be very good, but worse than a CD for the same price. But I could not listen.
It seems just like what we all expected. I am a little disappointed with the video (same as 3800). Everyone should check the homepage of Japanese Denon December 5, there should be lots of info. A large pad for me is that this player in zone 2 (Japan) does not play PAL.
To compare, I try the main player QB comparison test audio and video (in order of price): Panasonic BW930, the 3rd generation BR recorder / player Denon 3800 / Sony 5000 / Pioneer LX-91
Panasonic first comparison BW930 vs Denon 3800, the sound is better with Denon, the picture is quite similar. However, both are lost to Sony and the LX-91.
For video, the LX-91 has a better gradation of color, contrast, sharpness and noise reduction. The biggest difference is the 3D aspect of the LX-91. We tested Blade Runner and Kill Bill 2. Blade Runner for the dark area and noise and kill the bill to move quickly and color (Uma fight against the lady in black, check the bus when her daughter arrived and roses outside the kitchen). Projectors: both the new JVC and Sony.
For audio, we used the HDMI and pre Marantz / Pro 8002, we tested Master Order (Chapter 2, I suppose), Panasonic has been too boomy, Denon was a little confusing, but better than Panasonic. The Sony seems very nice but, of course, the Pioneer (using Pure Audio Mode dedicated to HDMI) was much better, clarity, spatialization, the explosion was so clear and dynamic. I asked to be compared with the analogue, but they have no cable. More details about the Pioneer on the wire.
The new super Denon seems very impressive, but the design is not so good, the video is below Pioneer LX-91 and analog audio and probably better. Digital audio probably in the same league
I spent part of the afternoon with the product manager of the LX-91:
- As you have heard from the previous section, it is actually the best Blu-ray video, even the new Denon will not do better.
- I tested a DVD and a DVD PAL NTSC, PAL DVD can be issued up to 1080p but not 24p, it was looking beautiful with the new projector from JVC, it seemed really HD, each body has been impressed. We compared with the Denon 3800, the Pioneer has been more of a headache, I had a tip DVDO upscale and Pioneer is much better too, noise reduction, contrast, sharpness. It is a dream. With the hard NTSC, SW 1 episode, it looks a bit worse than the Pal (always 480 <525), but the work of 24p was like a charm and he was so bon.C 'is the best player DVD in the world without doubt a very long time. The product manager assured me that his engineer has spent considerable time and resources to provide the video quality possible, and each part is homemade and developed by Pioneer.
- Qdeo processor is developed with Pioneer and is different with other products using Qdeo stuff. Pioneer really wanted to have the best possible image.
- The production of 48-bit signal, signal processing is done with 16-bit (it increases the quality significantly compared with 8-bit processing) and then the output is made according to your view on the new Kuro TV, max is 12 bit it was 12 bits (ie 36).
- For the analog section, yes, it is a state of the art, but they recommend using the HDMI output dedicated to the pure audio mode if you have the LX-90. But of course it depends on the taste and the room. If you need a lot of room correction, HDMI will be better.
- They know that the link is not selected, it will be in the first firmware update, as well as BD-live and DTS-MA decoding trainee.
- There is a reduction IC that reduces jitter over HDMI Jitter for each CD / DVD / BD. It is a great advance and was very noticeable in the blind. OMG, it was really poll much better than the Sony 5000 and BD3800.
- For PQLS is only for the CD, but I think that for the CD, it is better to use the analog output.
- Compared to the LX-51 or 71 depending on the country, it's really not the same league, the video processor, all due to the construction of the image and sounds so much better.
- I do not know if it relates to people outside of Japan but if you save your movie from the broadcast HD (1080i or others) with protection against copying, you can play them back on the LX-91 and you Even leaving in 1080 / 24p if it's a movie.
- She plays and films DivX/MP3/WMA9/JPEG AVCHD (from HD camera).
Everyone was so impressed, it is a beast, I will probably buy it and do it before Christmas, but I'm still hesitant because I'd like to see the new Denon in action, although usually I do not really Denon CD / SACD player and the treatment AL32 work only with analog.
To cheers yours
Japan says: Other things I said about the new Denon thread about the LX-91:
The BD3800 has been optimized by technicians from Denon, the same for the LX-91. Even people Denon agreed that there was a difference with the LX-91, but it is almost double the price in Japan.
There was a lengthy comparison between Sony and Pioneer. Both calibrated and optimized by their own engineer (Sony and Pioneer). Of course, it is not a huge difference in the video.
I would say on video:
BD3800: 7 / 10
S5000: 8.5/10
LX-91: 10/10
Specifically Blade Runner was a good test, he was executed simultaneously on two screens with the same new Sony projector.
If you want more details on LX-91/S5000:
- Many more pictures in 3 dimensions (even my wife noticed it).
- Contrast is stronger without saturating the image. Sony is a little worse on this point.
- [On screen] 120inch, 1.5 m, I could not see any noise in the dark scene of Blade Runner on both [players].
- The movement is smooth with the LX-91, it looks always the focus.
- There were about 50 people in the room and almost everyone agrees. But once again the price is 40% higher.
- For DVD, the LX-91 is far from anything in the world, even DVDO processor. We watched the brotherhood of wolves, and it was looking as well as my HD-DVD version. Some people thought it was a "Blu-Ray. No noise, no wrong in the larger scale. Then we compared with the Realta the Denon and BD3800 has been so much worse, I am d 'agreement itself, it was the best so far."
