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Kostas_Y

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24 December 2009
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North by Northeast
Σε άλλο περιστατικό, ένα Boeing 737-700 της All Nippon Airways πήρε κλίση και έχασε 6000 πόδια ύψος όταν ο συγκυβερνήτης αντί να πατήσει το κουμπί που ανοίγει την πόρτα του cockpit, πάτησε το κουμπί που ελέγχει το rudder. Ο κυβερνήτης είχε πάει για κατούρημα και επέστρεφε στη θέση του :p

Δύο αεροσυνοδοί τραυματίστηκαν.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4428f2f7&opt=0

Και ένα περιστατικό που μοιάζει πολύ με την AF447 αυτή τη φορά ήταν η πτήση AF471 και το περιστατικό συνέβη κοντα στη Γουαδελούπη. .

http://avherald.com/h?article=44280b2a&opt=0
 

Kostas_Y

AVClub Fanatic
24 December 2009
13,466
North by Northeast
Οι πιλότοι ανέφεραν οτι και οι δύο μηχανές του MD-83 σταμάτησαν. Στην προσπάθεια τους να φτάσουν στο αεροδρόμιο και 5 μίλια απο αυτό, το αεροπλάνο "σκάλωσε" σε ηλεκτροφόρα καλώδια και έπεσε σε κατοικημένη περιοχή. Το αεροπλάνο ήταν σχεδόν 22 ετών.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4508fb60&opt=0
 

tmjuju

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21 January 2007
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Τη μπαταρία του 787 την είδατε ?

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http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/01/787-investigation-battery/

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http://news.yahoo.com/insight-boeing-787-battery-woes-put-faa-approval-021450321--finance.html
 

Kostas_Y

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24 December 2009
13,466
North by Northeast
Συγνώμη τώρα...Εδώ και χρόνια λένε για τις μπαταρίες λιθίου που γίνονται πυροτέχνημα και έχουν ρίξει αεροπλάνα. Τέτοιες μπαταρίες έβαλαν στο NightmareLiner;
 

tmjuju

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21 January 2007
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Κώστα έχουν γίνει τεράστια άλματα στο γνωστικό πεδίο αυτό.
Μη ξεχνάς όντος πριν λίγα χρόνια είχαν προβλήματα όλοι οι κολοσσοί hp/nokia/etc.
αλλά σιγά σιγά μέσω μελέτης και τεχνολογικών λύσεων,
μπορούμε να έχουμε μπαταρίας με υψηλότερη ασφάλεια.

Να τις βάζουμε στην τσέπη, να φορτίζουμε στο κομοδίνο δίπλα στο κεφάλι μας κ.ο.κ.

Ακόμα και η παρέα των Φακών Led που έχουμε τη χαρά να φιλοξενούμε εδώ
συχνά πυκνά αναφέρεται τόσο στα προβλήματα όσο και στις λύσεις όσο και σε κανόνες ασφάλειας

Το πρόβλημα δεν περιορίζεται στο ‛εκρηκτικό μίγμα’ . Φυσικά και είναι θέμα μηχανικών να σχεδιάσουν ασφαλείες λύσεις.
Και τα καύσιμα μπορούν να αναφλεγούν, αλλά η σχεδίαση μετράει !




Οι εικόνες πάντως είναι ενδεικτικές
Δε συζητάμε για κάτι με λίγη μυρωδιά – λίγο καπνό
Και σίγουρα θα μπορούσαν να είναι και χειρότερα τα πράγματα


Μελέτη άρα
Back to the drawing board
 

tmjuju

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21 January 2007
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Airline safety inspectors have found no faults with the battery used on Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, Japan's transport ministry has said.

The battery was initially considered the likely source of problems on 787s owned by two Japanese airlines.

It has raised fears that there will be no quick fix to a problem that meant all 50 787s in service were grounded.

Attention has now shifted to the electrical system that monitors battery voltage, charging and temperature.

Transport ministry official Shigeru Takano said "we have found no major quality or technical problem" with the lithium-ion batteries. Shares in GS Yuasa, which makes the batteries, jumped 5% on the news.

"We are looking into affiliated parts makers," he said. "We are looking into possibilities."

The safety investigation started after one of the 787s operated by All Nippon Airways made an emergency landing in Japan when its main battery overheated. Earlier, a battery in a Japan Airlines 787 caught fire while parked at Boston's Logan International Airport.
Continue reading the main story
Who owns Dreamliners?

Air India: 6
All Nippon Airways (Japan): 17
Ethiopian Airlines: 4
Japan Airlines: 7
LAN Airlines (Chile): 3
Lot Polish Airlines: 2
Qatar Airways: 5
United Airlines (US): 6
Total: 50

Source: Boeing

Zafar Khan, aviation analyst at Societe Generale, said: "The obvious implication is that it may prolong the grounding.

"If it's not the battery then we are back to the drawing board. We know it's an electrical - and not a structural - issue and that will be the focus for the inspectors. But there's a lot of cabling on these aircraft."
'Fingers crossed'

Keith Hayward, head of research at the Royal Aeronautical Society, said that if the issue is no longer about replacing a faulty battery, it raised the prospect of Boeing having to do a major re-design.

"I think people had their fingers crossed that it was a battery fault... it looks more systemic and serious to me. I suspect it could be difficult to identify the cause," he said.

He added that aviation regulators will have to put the 787 through another airworthiness certification process, which itself could become a complicated and lengthy process depending on the final cause of the problem.

Two weeks ago the US Federal Aviation Administration said both batteries had leaked electrolyte fluid, and there had been smoke damage to parts of the aircraft.

The FAA said airlines must demonstrate battery safety before flights could resume, a statement that effectively meant airlines had to ground their 787s.

Boeing, which competes against Europe's Airbus, has halted 787 deliveries. Boeing has orders for more than 800 Dreamliners.

The 787 is the first airliner made mostly from lightweight composite materials, which increases an aircrafts fuel efficiency. It also relies on electronic systems rather than hydraulic or mechanical systems to a greater degree than any other airliner.
Compensation

Mr Khan said that most analysts had forecast that the 787 would be out of service for, perhaps, eight weeks at most. Beyond 10-12 weeks, and it could impact on Boeing's production line and future deliveries, he said.

"That raises questions of damages (to airlines) for late delivery and the leasing of alternative aircraft," he said.

Last week, analysts at Bernstein put the cost of fixing the Dreamliner at about $350m (£222m). Meanwhile, Jefferies estimated the likely cost at between $250m to $625m. But that was before the likely primary cause - the battery - was ruled out.

Depending on the cause of the problem, Boeing might be able to recoup any costs from suppliers. But analysts say that the longer the issue continues, the higher the risk for Boeing, suppliers, jobs, and investors.

On Wall Street, Boeing shares opened almost 1% down and are more than 4% lower since the issue came to light. "The amazing thing is that the share price has held up so well," said Mr Khan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21230940

Η 'πλακέτα φταίει' και όχι η μπαταρία … κλασικά προβλήματα φόρτισης εκφόρτισης και ελέγχου …
 

tmjuju

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21 January 2007
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Ο Elon Musk (ex-PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX) προτείνει στη Boeing να πάρει τις δικές του μπαταρίες που είναι δοκιμασμένες στο ηλεκτρικό sportscar Tesla και τα διαστημικά οχήματα της SpaceX.
Πλακίτσα τους κάνει …. Αλλά όντος τεχνογνωσία υπάρχει.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/29/boeing-tesla-idUSL1N0AY11R20130129
 

tmjuju

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21 January 2007
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The lithium-ion cells within the 787 batteries use a graphite-coated copper anode and a lithium cobalt oxide-coated aluminum cathode. The anode and cathode are separated by a very thin polyethylene film known as the separator.

The separator is roughly the same thickness as cellophane and behaves in a similar way. There doesn’t need to be a tear or a hole to create a short circuit that can cause thermal runaway. The material is very thin – typically around 25 microns, according to Abraham – and small irregularities in the thickness can be enough to lead to problems. A section of the separator that is just 20 microns thick might be enough.

“It could be a stretch, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a big hole, just a weak point where you have low resistance,” Abraham said. “It can be a problem when you have such a very large surface area electrode where there is a lot of inhomogeneity in the current distribution.”

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/02/ntsb-787-dreamliner/

Εσωτερικό πρόβλημα των μπαταριών με το μονωτή ή κάτι αντίστοιχο φαίνεται να ήταν