Microsoft Surface Pro 4 [2015]
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alextrela
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Here’s how Windows Hello works on the Surface Pro 4 (video)
Did you know you can unlock the Surface Pro 4 with your face thanks to Windows Hello? Our friend Sean Ong has put together a short video demonstrating how the new Surface Pro 4 can utilize Windows Hello on Windows 10 to make your unlocking experience easier than ever. “This only works if you have a special camera. Facial unlock does not work on the Surface Pro 3, Surface 3, or earlier devices. There’s also a fingerprint scanner option – which is available on a special version of the new Type Cover,” Sean explains.
Microsoft has worked hard to beef up Windows 10 with enterprise-grade security, making sure that both consumers and businesses are protected from threats. One particular feature in Windows 10 is called Windows Hello, which allows users to seamlessly and securely log into their PCs. Windows Hello supports three types of biometric entry, which includes fingerprint recognition, iris, and facial recognition.
“With Windows Hello, you’ll be able to just show your face, or touch your finger, to new devices running Windows 10 and be immediately recognized. And not only is Windows Hello more convenient than typing a password – it’s more secure! Our system enables you to authenticate applications, enterprise content, and even certain online experiences without a password being stored on your device or in a network server at all,” Microsoft explained in an official blog post back in March of this year.
Here’s how Windows Hello works on the Surface Pro 4 (video)
Did you know you can unlock the Surface Pro 4 with your face thanks to Windows Hello? Our friend Sean Ong has put together a short video demonstrating how the new Surface Pro 4 can utilize Windows Hello on Windows 10 to make your unlocking experience easier than ever. “This only works if you have a special camera. Facial unlock does not work on the Surface Pro 3, Surface 3, or earlier devices. There’s also a fingerprint scanner option – which is available on a special version of the new Type Cover,” Sean explains.
Microsoft has worked hard to beef up Windows 10 with enterprise-grade security, making sure that both consumers and businesses are protected from threats. One particular feature in Windows 10 is called Windows Hello, which allows users to seamlessly and securely log into their PCs. Windows Hello supports three types of biometric entry, which includes fingerprint recognition, iris, and facial recognition.
“With Windows Hello, you’ll be able to just show your face, or touch your finger, to new devices running Windows 10 and be immediately recognized. And not only is Windows Hello more convenient than typing a password – it’s more secure! Our system enables you to authenticate applications, enterprise content, and even certain online experiences without a password being stored on your device or in a network server at all,” Microsoft explained in an official blog post back in March of this year.
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alextrela
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Εξαιρετικά χλωμό επίσημα.
Τώρα skroutz θα έρθει.
Και να μην ερχόταν καν μέσω ευρωπαϊκών MS store το αγοράζεις και καθάρισες.
Έχεις full εγγύηση από MS Hellas.
Το shipping γίνεται με UPS είτε standard(4-5 εργάσιμες)ειτε express(1-2 εργάσιμες) και παραλαβή στο χώρο σου.
Εξαιρετικά χλωμό επίσημα.
Τώρα skroutz θα έρθει.
Και να μην ερχόταν καν μέσω ευρωπαϊκών MS store το αγοράζεις και καθάρισες.
Έχεις full εγγύηση από MS Hellas.
Το shipping γίνεται με UPS είτε standard(4-5 εργάσιμες)ειτε express(1-2 εργάσιμες) και παραλαβή στο χώρο σου.
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Γιαννης Σπυρου
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ναι, αλλα δε ξερω πως γινεται αυτο στο σιτε της Microsoft, δεν μου λεει πουθενα να δηλωσω το ΦΠΑ.
ναι, αλλα δε ξερω πως γινεται αυτο στο σιτε της Microsoft, δεν μου λεει πουθενα να δηλωσω το ΦΠΑ.
alextrela
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 4
Μπορείς τότε απο expansys που κόβουν τιμολόγια.
Οταν θα το έχουν διαθέσιμο.
http://www.expansys.com.gr/microsof...-core-i5-4gb-ram-128gb-ssd-win-10-pro-284490/
Παντα το διαθέτουν αυτοί.
Απο ms store δεν γίνεται με τιμολόγιο αν δεν κάνω λάθος.
Μπορείς τότε απο expansys που κόβουν τιμολόγια.
Οταν θα το έχουν διαθέσιμο.
http://www.expansys.com.gr/microsof...-core-i5-4gb-ram-128gb-ssd-win-10-pro-284490/
Παντα το διαθέτουν αυτοί.
Απο ms store δεν γίνεται με τιμολόγιο αν δεν κάνω λάθος.
Απάντηση: Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 4
Ναι από MS store δεν γίνεται, είχα μιλήσει τηλεφωνικά για το pro 3 και μου είχαν πει πως δεν εκδίδουν τιμολόγια ενδοκοινοτικών συναλλαγών χωρίς ΦΠΑ.
Γίνεται όμως από την πλειονότητα των Γερμανικών μαγαζιών (από idealo.de) που συνήθως έχουν και αρκετά καλές τιμές.
Ναι από MS store δεν γίνεται, είχα μιλήσει τηλεφωνικά για το pro 3 και μου είχαν πει πως δεν εκδίδουν τιμολόγια ενδοκοινοτικών συναλλαγών χωρίς ΦΠΑ.
Γίνεται όμως από την πλειονότητα των Γερμανικών μαγαζιών (από idealo.de) που συνήθως έχουν και αρκετά καλές τιμές.
alextrela
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Surface Pro 4 Is Microsoft's Fastest-Selling Biz Tablet, Takes On iPad Pro In Battle For The Enterprise
http://www.ibtimes.com/surface-pro-...blet-takes-ipad-pro-battle-enterprise-2148440
The Surface Pro 4 hasn't even shipped yet, but Microsoft's latest 2-in-1 tablet has already broken a new record. On Tuesday, Microsoft revealed that the Pro 4 already has the fastest-ever adoption rate by business of any Surface device, even though the tablet isn't due to ship until Oct. 26.
Thirteen customers, including three educational institutions, have made a commitment to buy the Pro 4 before it hits the market. BNY Mellon, AstraZeneca, The Carlyle Group and USI Insurance Services are among those who have pledged to adopt, while Brighton College International, Sheffield Hallam University and University of Central Lancashire have all signed up to buy the Pro 4 to use in the education sector.
Και ακόμα πιο σημαντική είδηση οτι θα προσφέρει 3ετη εγγύηση στο επιχειρηματικό segment της αγοράς μαζί με την όχι τυχαία εδω και ενα δίμηνο στρατηγική συνεργασία με Dell-HP να διαθετει μέσω των καναλιών τους τα surface pro μιας και στην τεράστια βόρειο αμερικανική ήπειρος των 350 εκατομυρίων κατοίκων που παίζουν τεράστιο ρόλο οι 2 εταιρίες στο επιχειρηματικό segment της αγοράς πληροφορικής.
Microsoft to add new Surface warranty, trade-in programs for businesses
Just ahead of releasing the Surface Pro 4, Microsoft is taking the wraps off two new programs aimed at spurring business adoption of its tablets and Windows 10.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-add-new-surface-warranty-trade-in-programs-for-businesses/
Complete for Enterprise -- a three-year warranty that includes coverage for accidental damage-- will allow customers to pool warranty claims by company, versus by individual devices. It will allow replace claims for devices that can no longer boot, which is useful when sensitive information cannot be recovered and requires on-premises destruction of hard drives. The business warranty also includes next-day air for fast device replacement and on-boarding support, via which Microsoft will assist IT staff and employees with initial training
Surface Pro 4 Is Microsoft's Fastest-Selling Biz Tablet, Takes On iPad Pro In Battle For The Enterprise
http://www.ibtimes.com/surface-pro-...blet-takes-ipad-pro-battle-enterprise-2148440
The Surface Pro 4 hasn't even shipped yet, but Microsoft's latest 2-in-1 tablet has already broken a new record. On Tuesday, Microsoft revealed that the Pro 4 already has the fastest-ever adoption rate by business of any Surface device, even though the tablet isn't due to ship until Oct. 26.
Thirteen customers, including three educational institutions, have made a commitment to buy the Pro 4 before it hits the market. BNY Mellon, AstraZeneca, The Carlyle Group and USI Insurance Services are among those who have pledged to adopt, while Brighton College International, Sheffield Hallam University and University of Central Lancashire have all signed up to buy the Pro 4 to use in the education sector.
Και ακόμα πιο σημαντική είδηση οτι θα προσφέρει 3ετη εγγύηση στο επιχειρηματικό segment της αγοράς μαζί με την όχι τυχαία εδω και ενα δίμηνο στρατηγική συνεργασία με Dell-HP να διαθετει μέσω των καναλιών τους τα surface pro μιας και στην τεράστια βόρειο αμερικανική ήπειρος των 350 εκατομυρίων κατοίκων που παίζουν τεράστιο ρόλο οι 2 εταιρίες στο επιχειρηματικό segment της αγοράς πληροφορικής.
Microsoft to add new Surface warranty, trade-in programs for businesses
Just ahead of releasing the Surface Pro 4, Microsoft is taking the wraps off two new programs aimed at spurring business adoption of its tablets and Windows 10.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-add-new-surface-warranty-trade-in-programs-for-businesses/
Complete for Enterprise -- a three-year warranty that includes coverage for accidental damage-- will allow customers to pool warranty claims by company, versus by individual devices. It will allow replace claims for devices that can no longer boot, which is useful when sensitive information cannot be recovered and requires on-premises destruction of hard drives. The business warranty also includes next-day air for fast device replacement and on-boarding support, via which Microsoft will assist IT staff and employees with initial training
alextrela
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- 28 November 2011
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 4
Έσκασαν και τα πρώτα review.
Συγκρατώ την αξιοσημειωτη βελτίωση σε όλα τα επιπεδα.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9727/the-microsoft-surface-pro-4-review-raising-the-bar
Καλύτερη οθονη και μεγαλύτερη σε ίντσες(αντιθεση,φωτεινοτητα,επιπεδα μαύρο,πιστότητα χρωμάτων) στο ίδιο σασί.
Καλύτερη αυτονομια σε επιμέρους χρήσης παρ όλο την μείωση χωρητικότητας μπαταρίας και αύξηση ανάλυσης οθόνης.
Ακόμα μεγαλύτερη βελτίωση δέχτηκε στο type cover που δεν εχει να ζηλέψει τα κορυφαια στο είδος τους εντός και εκτός Windows
Επίσης σημαντική βελτίωση και στην γραφιδα.
Σημαντικο να τονίσουμε την πολυ σημαντική βελτίωση στο σύστημα ψύξης της συσκευής μειώνοντας τα επιπεδα θορύβου και της συχνότητας εμφάνισης του σε πολυ πιο ζόρικες καταστάσεις.
Επισης το throttling μειώθηκε σε εξίσου πολυ σημαντικό βαθμο διατηρώντας τις επιδόσεις σε πιο maximum βαθμο σε πολυ μεγαλύτερο χρονικό διαστημα.
Ενα απο τα highlight ειναι βέβαια η στροφή στην νέα τεχνολογια NVMe PCIe SSD με 2-3 φορες πιο αυξημένες επιδόσεις σε σχέση με την προηγούμενη σειρά.
Δηλαδη συνολικά η MS ενα σχεδόν άριστο Pro 3 το έκανε ασυναγώνιστο στην κατηγορία του.:ernaehrung004:
Και όλα αυτα εντός μόλις 3 ετων μια κατηγορία εντελώς απο το μηδέν κατάφερε να την φτάσει στο ύψιστο επίπεδο ολοκλήρωσης και πληρότητας.:grinning-smiley-043:
Final Words
Going into the Microsoft Devices event earlier this month, there were a lot of questions on my mind in how Microsoft was going to move forward with Surface Pro. There is no doubt that Surface Pro 3 has been a big success for the company after several years of middling results. Would Microsoft move to Core M to reduce the weight and noise, or would they stick with the U series and keep the performance intact? Interestingly the answer was both.
Surface Pro 4 is not the revolution that Surface Pro 3 is, but more of an evolution. A bigger, better display, coupled with the latest in technology under the hood, but in a thinner and lighter device. The display really is fantastic and is easily the best one in a Surface yet. The move to Skylake has also been a big help for Surface Pro. Not only is it much faster β sometimes 50% faster even β but it can keep its performance up in an 8.4 mm thick chassis, which is something that was not true of the previous generation. Microsoft has gone all-in with the hardware, offering up the best of Skylake-U as an option in the Core i7-6650U, including Iris graphics with 64 MB of eDRAM. Memory capacity has been increased to 16 GB, which should be plenty for any workloads that are going to be done on a tablet. The storage changes to NVMe based SSDs has push performance almost as high as it can be in 2015.
The changes to the accessories are maybe the most noticeable changes. The new pen is much softer, and it’s great that you can now choose which pen tip you want to use depending on the situation. But the big story is the improved Type Cover, which went from serviceable to a really great keyboard. The improved key spacing, along with 1.3 mm of travel, has transformed the keyboard feel and made it much easier to type quickly on it. I found myself making a lot less errors because I could always tell if my finger was on a key or maybe between them. Add in the fact that the new one is much stiffer, and you have to wonder if they can improve it anymore than they already have. One of the biggest complaints with the Surface Pro 3 was the tiny trackpad, and that has been very much corrected. The touchpad surface is now glass, and it is much larger than it was in the past, and it really feels like a trackpad should on a small notebook. You can also get the keyboard in even more colors.
The new dock is going to be universal going forward, unlike the previous one which made you insert the Surface Pro 3 into it. No matter what they do with the chassis design, having an external dock which connects over the Surface Connect port is pretty much guaranteed to work.
It is impressive to look at the Surface Pro 4 and just think about how much is packed into such a small and light package. Inside the 12.3-inch tablet is a full Core i5 or i7, 16 GB of memory, and up to 1 TB of storage. Yet the package itself is actually thinner than the Microsoft Surface 3, which is powered by Intel's Atom CPU. That is pretty amazing, and with Surface Pro 4 Microsoft has made it work. The thermal issues are pretty much resolved, despite the thinner chassis, and the fan noise is a lot less noticeable since it almost never needs to kick in.
One thing notably absent from the Surface Pro 4 though is USB Type-C. I feel like they have missed an opportunity here to add one or more USB Type-C ports in addition to the existing Type-A port. USB Type-C is going to be the future, and not having it on a device that is otherwise outfitted with the latest technology feels like it has one foot in the past.
Surface Pro is an expensive tablet. It’s also an expensive Ultrabook. Microsoft is not playing in the land of low margins with this product. Starting at $899 with Core m3, 128 GB of storage, and 4 GB of memory, this tablet is priced as a premium product. It does come with the Surface Pen, but the keyboard is an extra $129, pushing the final price over a cool grand. If this review was two months ago I would say that Microsoft is charging too much for the keyboard, but it appears that they are now the lowest priced keyboard option, with the iPad Pro and Pixel C announced in the last month or so alongside their respective and more expensive keyboards. With the Surface 3, I said the keyboard was somewhat optional, but that’s not the case with the Surface Pro 4. You really do need the keyboard, and at least for the money the accessory is quite good now. The highest price offering, now with Core i7, 16 GB of memory, and 512 GB of storage, is a whopping $2199. The 1 TB model will be even more when it comes out. I think the sweet spot is going to be the SKU we were sampled - Core i5 with a 256 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM - for $1299. That is the price of a good Ultrabook, and not out of the realm for shoppers looking at a premium product.
If you are looking for a workhorse tablet that you can be productive on, I don’t think anyone else offers the build quality, performance, and accessories, compared to Surface. There have been some other devices recently announced in the PC space which are very similar to the Surface, but with Surface Pro 4, Microsoft has raised the bar again.
Έσκασαν και τα πρώτα review.
Συγκρατώ την αξιοσημειωτη βελτίωση σε όλα τα επιπεδα.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9727/the-microsoft-surface-pro-4-review-raising-the-bar
Καλύτερη οθονη και μεγαλύτερη σε ίντσες(αντιθεση,φωτεινοτητα,επιπεδα μαύρο,πιστότητα χρωμάτων) στο ίδιο σασί.
Καλύτερη αυτονομια σε επιμέρους χρήσης παρ όλο την μείωση χωρητικότητας μπαταρίας και αύξηση ανάλυσης οθόνης.
Ακόμα μεγαλύτερη βελτίωση δέχτηκε στο type cover που δεν εχει να ζηλέψει τα κορυφαια στο είδος τους εντός και εκτός Windows
Επίσης σημαντική βελτίωση και στην γραφιδα.
Σημαντικο να τονίσουμε την πολυ σημαντική βελτίωση στο σύστημα ψύξης της συσκευής μειώνοντας τα επιπεδα θορύβου και της συχνότητας εμφάνισης του σε πολυ πιο ζόρικες καταστάσεις.
Επισης το throttling μειώθηκε σε εξίσου πολυ σημαντικό βαθμο διατηρώντας τις επιδόσεις σε πιο maximum βαθμο σε πολυ μεγαλύτερο χρονικό διαστημα.
Ενα απο τα highlight ειναι βέβαια η στροφή στην νέα τεχνολογια NVMe PCIe SSD με 2-3 φορες πιο αυξημένες επιδόσεις σε σχέση με την προηγούμενη σειρά.
Δηλαδη συνολικά η MS ενα σχεδόν άριστο Pro 3 το έκανε ασυναγώνιστο στην κατηγορία του.:ernaehrung004:
Και όλα αυτα εντός μόλις 3 ετων μια κατηγορία εντελώς απο το μηδέν κατάφερε να την φτάσει στο ύψιστο επίπεδο ολοκλήρωσης και πληρότητας.:grinning-smiley-043:
Final Words
Going into the Microsoft Devices event earlier this month, there were a lot of questions on my mind in how Microsoft was going to move forward with Surface Pro. There is no doubt that Surface Pro 3 has been a big success for the company after several years of middling results. Would Microsoft move to Core M to reduce the weight and noise, or would they stick with the U series and keep the performance intact? Interestingly the answer was both.
Surface Pro 4 is not the revolution that Surface Pro 3 is, but more of an evolution. A bigger, better display, coupled with the latest in technology under the hood, but in a thinner and lighter device. The display really is fantastic and is easily the best one in a Surface yet. The move to Skylake has also been a big help for Surface Pro. Not only is it much faster β sometimes 50% faster even β but it can keep its performance up in an 8.4 mm thick chassis, which is something that was not true of the previous generation. Microsoft has gone all-in with the hardware, offering up the best of Skylake-U as an option in the Core i7-6650U, including Iris graphics with 64 MB of eDRAM. Memory capacity has been increased to 16 GB, which should be plenty for any workloads that are going to be done on a tablet. The storage changes to NVMe based SSDs has push performance almost as high as it can be in 2015.
The changes to the accessories are maybe the most noticeable changes. The new pen is much softer, and it’s great that you can now choose which pen tip you want to use depending on the situation. But the big story is the improved Type Cover, which went from serviceable to a really great keyboard. The improved key spacing, along with 1.3 mm of travel, has transformed the keyboard feel and made it much easier to type quickly on it. I found myself making a lot less errors because I could always tell if my finger was on a key or maybe between them. Add in the fact that the new one is much stiffer, and you have to wonder if they can improve it anymore than they already have. One of the biggest complaints with the Surface Pro 3 was the tiny trackpad, and that has been very much corrected. The touchpad surface is now glass, and it is much larger than it was in the past, and it really feels like a trackpad should on a small notebook. You can also get the keyboard in even more colors.
The new dock is going to be universal going forward, unlike the previous one which made you insert the Surface Pro 3 into it. No matter what they do with the chassis design, having an external dock which connects over the Surface Connect port is pretty much guaranteed to work.
It is impressive to look at the Surface Pro 4 and just think about how much is packed into such a small and light package. Inside the 12.3-inch tablet is a full Core i5 or i7, 16 GB of memory, and up to 1 TB of storage. Yet the package itself is actually thinner than the Microsoft Surface 3, which is powered by Intel's Atom CPU. That is pretty amazing, and with Surface Pro 4 Microsoft has made it work. The thermal issues are pretty much resolved, despite the thinner chassis, and the fan noise is a lot less noticeable since it almost never needs to kick in.
One thing notably absent from the Surface Pro 4 though is USB Type-C. I feel like they have missed an opportunity here to add one or more USB Type-C ports in addition to the existing Type-A port. USB Type-C is going to be the future, and not having it on a device that is otherwise outfitted with the latest technology feels like it has one foot in the past.
Surface Pro is an expensive tablet. It’s also an expensive Ultrabook. Microsoft is not playing in the land of low margins with this product. Starting at $899 with Core m3, 128 GB of storage, and 4 GB of memory, this tablet is priced as a premium product. It does come with the Surface Pen, but the keyboard is an extra $129, pushing the final price over a cool grand. If this review was two months ago I would say that Microsoft is charging too much for the keyboard, but it appears that they are now the lowest priced keyboard option, with the iPad Pro and Pixel C announced in the last month or so alongside their respective and more expensive keyboards. With the Surface 3, I said the keyboard was somewhat optional, but that’s not the case with the Surface Pro 4. You really do need the keyboard, and at least for the money the accessory is quite good now. The highest price offering, now with Core i7, 16 GB of memory, and 512 GB of storage, is a whopping $2199. The 1 TB model will be even more when it comes out. I think the sweet spot is going to be the SKU we were sampled - Core i5 with a 256 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM - for $1299. That is the price of a good Ultrabook, and not out of the realm for shoppers looking at a premium product.
If you are looking for a workhorse tablet that you can be productive on, I don’t think anyone else offers the build quality, performance, and accessories, compared to Surface. There have been some other devices recently announced in the PC space which are very similar to the Surface, but with Surface Pro 4, Microsoft has raised the bar again.
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alextrela
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 4
Surface Pro 4 review: Yes, it can really replace your laptop
http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/21/surface-pro-4-review/
With the Surface Pro 4, Microsoft's surprising hybrid tablet journey finally makes sense. It's as if Microsoft was laser-focused on fixing the issues we had with the Surface Pro 3. We liked that device quite a bit, but its Type Cover was endlessly frustrating, with a sloppy keyboard and wonky trackpad. The new keyboard, on the other hand, is far sturdier and more laptop-like, and its trackpad is no longer a thing of nightmares. It's taken a while, but the Surface Pro 4 shows Microsoft has finally accomplished everything it set out to do when it unveiled its crazy hybrid tablet concept three years ago (which makes the announcement of the Surface Book even more curious). Aside from improving the battery life and bundling in the Type Cover (just do it, already), it's hard to imagine how much better the Surface Pro line can get.
Pros
•Works well as both a tablet and a laptop
•New Type Cover and Surface Pen are massive improvements
•Still pretty thin and light for the equivalent of an ultraportable
Cons
•Mediocre battery life
•Type Cover is an additional $130
Summary
The Surface Pro 4 builds on the best parts of the Surface Pro 3, and it finally delivers a solid typing experience with the revamped Type Cover (which is unfortunately sold separately). It's the ideal hybrid tablet in practically every way -- it's as light as a tablet, but as productive as any laptop. The only problem is you're stuck with so-so battery life.
Wrap-up
The Surface Pro 3 was a sign that Microsoft's crazy hybrid tablet experiment might actually have legs. The Surface Pro 4, on the other hand, is the company's Surface dream made real. Everything Microsoft promised at that surprise Surface unveiling in 2012 is here today with the Pro 4. Future models might eventually fix the battery life issue and add faster hardware, but we'll likely remember the Surface Pro 4 as the turning point for Microsoft.
If anything, Microsoft's big problem now isn't with building a killer device; it's with public perception. It took several failed Surface models to get to this point, and the company might have a hard time convincing consumers that it's finally cracked the code. But who knows -- maybe a free Type Cover would help.
Surface Pro 4 review: Yes, it can really replace your laptop
http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/21/surface-pro-4-review/
With the Surface Pro 4, Microsoft's surprising hybrid tablet journey finally makes sense. It's as if Microsoft was laser-focused on fixing the issues we had with the Surface Pro 3. We liked that device quite a bit, but its Type Cover was endlessly frustrating, with a sloppy keyboard and wonky trackpad. The new keyboard, on the other hand, is far sturdier and more laptop-like, and its trackpad is no longer a thing of nightmares. It's taken a while, but the Surface Pro 4 shows Microsoft has finally accomplished everything it set out to do when it unveiled its crazy hybrid tablet concept three years ago (which makes the announcement of the Surface Book even more curious). Aside from improving the battery life and bundling in the Type Cover (just do it, already), it's hard to imagine how much better the Surface Pro line can get.
Pros
•Works well as both a tablet and a laptop
•New Type Cover and Surface Pen are massive improvements
•Still pretty thin and light for the equivalent of an ultraportable
Cons
•Mediocre battery life
•Type Cover is an additional $130
Summary
The Surface Pro 4 builds on the best parts of the Surface Pro 3, and it finally delivers a solid typing experience with the revamped Type Cover (which is unfortunately sold separately). It's the ideal hybrid tablet in practically every way -- it's as light as a tablet, but as productive as any laptop. The only problem is you're stuck with so-so battery life.
Wrap-up
The Surface Pro 3 was a sign that Microsoft's crazy hybrid tablet experiment might actually have legs. The Surface Pro 4, on the other hand, is the company's Surface dream made real. Everything Microsoft promised at that surprise Surface unveiling in 2012 is here today with the Pro 4. Future models might eventually fix the battery life issue and add faster hardware, but we'll likely remember the Surface Pro 4 as the turning point for Microsoft.
If anything, Microsoft's big problem now isn't with building a killer device; it's with public perception. It took several failed Surface models to get to this point, and the company might have a hard time convincing consumers that it's finally cracked the code. But who knows -- maybe a free Type Cover would help.
alextrela
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- 28 November 2011
- 3,129
Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 4
Microsoft Surface Pro 4 review:
A refined Surface Pro is still the king of the tablet PC hill
http://www.cnet.com/products/microsoft-surface-pro-4/
The Good/ The Surface Pro 4 fits a larger screen with a higher resolution into a slightly slimmer body than last year's model. The pen and keyboard cover are also improved, and this is one of the first mobile systems shipping with Intel's latest processors.
The Bad/ Microsoft still refuses to include the Type Cover keyboard by default, forcing a separate purchase. Battery life still isn't enough for a full day.
The Bottom Line/ A host of small refinements cements the Surface Pro 4's position as the best-in-class Windows tablet -- so long as you're prepared to pay extra for the required keyboard cover accessory
Microsoft Surface Pro 4 review:
A refined Surface Pro is still the king of the tablet PC hill
http://www.cnet.com/products/microsoft-surface-pro-4/
The Good/ The Surface Pro 4 fits a larger screen with a higher resolution into a slightly slimmer body than last year's model. The pen and keyboard cover are also improved, and this is one of the first mobile systems shipping with Intel's latest processors.
The Bad/ Microsoft still refuses to include the Type Cover keyboard by default, forcing a separate purchase. Battery life still isn't enough for a full day.
The Bottom Line/ A host of small refinements cements the Surface Pro 4's position as the best-in-class Windows tablet -- so long as you're prepared to pay extra for the required keyboard cover accessory
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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro 4
Microsoft Surface Pro 4 review: It's faster, it's better, and it has more competition
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2994...r-its-better-and-it-has-more-competition.html
The Microsoft Surface Pro 4 has satisfied one expectation: It’s taken the proven success of the Surface Pro 3 and gone even further, offering a substantial performance boost and other improvements.
Now comes the harder part. The tablet ecosystem has dramatically evolved since the launch of the Surface Pro 3. New Surface clones like the Lenovo Miix 700 and the Vaio Canvas will ship soon. Then there’s the Surface Pro 4's flashy new family member: the Surface Book, a two-in-one boasting incredible battery life and a pricey external GPU option. Suddenly the Surface Pro 4 is simply machina sapiena, and the Book is machina maxima.
The Surface Pro 4 may have to resign itself to living in the shadow of the Surface Book. As for the rest of the new competition, the Surface Pro 4’s impressive features, performance, and overall experience have set some tough new standards for high-end Windows tablets in
At a Glance
The combination of an Intel Skylake chip, a new Type Cover keyboard and faster SSD speed help push the Surface Pro 4 into a higher echelon of performance.
Pros
New Intel Skylake processor dramatically increases performance
Redesigned Type Cover more closely approximates laptop keyboard
New Surface Dock is now semi-portable
Cons
Battery life is slightly lower than Surface Pro 3
New Surface Pen tends to slide off tablet
The "curse of the missing cursor" still rears its head occasionally
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Microsoft Surface Pro 4 review: It's faster, it's better, and it has more competition
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2994...r-its-better-and-it-has-more-competition.html
The Microsoft Surface Pro 4 has satisfied one expectation: It’s taken the proven success of the Surface Pro 3 and gone even further, offering a substantial performance boost and other improvements.
Now comes the harder part. The tablet ecosystem has dramatically evolved since the launch of the Surface Pro 3. New Surface clones like the Lenovo Miix 700 and the Vaio Canvas will ship soon. Then there’s the Surface Pro 4's flashy new family member: the Surface Book, a two-in-one boasting incredible battery life and a pricey external GPU option. Suddenly the Surface Pro 4 is simply machina sapiena, and the Book is machina maxima.
The Surface Pro 4 may have to resign itself to living in the shadow of the Surface Book. As for the rest of the new competition, the Surface Pro 4’s impressive features, performance, and overall experience have set some tough new standards for high-end Windows tablets in
At a Glance
The combination of an Intel Skylake chip, a new Type Cover keyboard and faster SSD speed help push the Surface Pro 4 into a higher echelon of performance.
Pros
New Intel Skylake processor dramatically increases performance
Redesigned Type Cover more closely approximates laptop keyboard
New Surface Dock is now semi-portable
Cons
Battery life is slightly lower than Surface Pro 3
New Surface Pen tends to slide off tablet
The "curse of the missing cursor" still rears its head occasionally
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alextrela
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Microsoft Surface Pro 4 Review
http://www.windowscentral.com/surface-pro-4-review
Αναλυτικό review με πλήθος πληροφοριών επί πολλών θετικών αλλα και κάποιον αρνητικών που χρήζουν περαιτερω βελτίωση όπως στο trackpad και στην γραφιδα που εκεί επικεντρώνονται κυρίως παρα την αξιοσημειωτη βελτίωση σε σχέση με την προηγούμενη γενιά.
Όπως και κάποιες αλλαγές που δεν φαίνονται σε μια πρώτη ματια ειδικά για όσους δεν έχουν χρησιμοποιήσει προηγούμενη γενιά της σειρας,όπως τονίζεται στο τέλος.
The big shifts for the Surface Pro 4 compared to Surface Pro 3 come down to these fundamental components and features:
New 6th gen Intel Skylake processors
Higher resolution display (2763x1824 vs. 2160x1440)
Slightly larger screen (12.3 inches vs. 12.0)
Less heavy (lighter by 0.03 lbs)
Increased levels of pressure sensitivity for Pen (1024 vs. 256)
Facial recognition camera for Windows Hello
Updated distributed cooling system
Maximum internal storage increase to a 1TB SSD
Shift from mSATA to high-performance PCIe 3.0 for storage
Maximum RAM configuration now up to 16GB
Higher starting price: $799 (now $699) versus $899
For the Surface Pro 3 user, it is obvious that the Surface Pro 4 offers modest improvements in many categories. That is where the Surface Pro 4's story becomes interesting. While performance differences between a the 5th-generation Broadwell Core i5 and the new 6th-generation Skylake chips are slight, when you add in all the other features the Surface Pro 4 feels like a leaner, meaner machine.
Perhaps the biggest change though is not the Surface itself, but rather the new Type Cover, which makes some momentous changes all in the right direction. These modifications are significant to Surface Pro 3 owners too, as the new Type Cover is backwards-compatible with that tablet as well.
New Type Cover is the best Type Cover
Honestly, in using the Surface Pro 4 the most notable change is the keyboard. This experience should not be too surprising as nothing is more personal than typing on a computer. Indeed, this is a make or break area for many, and the previous Type Covers have all had a few drawbacks including the two-button trackpad being too small. Here are the noteworthy changes with this generation of the Type Cover:
Larger trackpad
New spread-out key design
New teal color option
Fingerprint ID version ($159.99)
Let's talk about typing. It's better. Much better. Although I had no real issues with the previous iteration of the Type Cover, the new design increases the space between the keys for an improved tactile feel. While the keys are slightly smaller to allow for that spacing, they're still large enough to type without looking, and the spacing only enhances that capacity. Size isn't everything, folks. The travel of the keys is also improved with the newer version, featuring a softer response along with a longer travel.
The top row of functions keys has also shifted around. Microsoft is ditching the dedicated Windows 8 function keys (e.g. Share, Search and Settings) but has added volume up/down and thankfully Print Screen and Insert. The result is a keyboard that feels more traditional for laptop users, rather than one focused on Windows 8.
The precision trackpad has also β once again β grown and is now super smooth glass. Third time's the charm, right? The new trackpad is significantly wider and taller. Now, I want to be clear that ideally it would still be even larger. However, like the Surface Pro 3, the trackpad is now at a tipping point: this is now good enough for most users. I would find it difficult to believe that most users would see this expanded trackpad as too small.
The drag coefficient (i.e. finger-on-glass friction) is also lower, leading to the new Type Cover trackpad being even smoother to the touch than its predecessor. It is a great experience.
Nonetheless, all is not perfect. I do wish there were more customizations with Microsoft's Precision Touchpad settings. Scrolling in Microsoft Edge feels nice, but the number of lines it scrolls in one swipe is not nearly enough for my usage. As a result, I feel like I have to work to browse a web page (or reduce the zoom to make items smaller). Likewise, for coasting scrolls, which requires a flick-like action and not the traditional method of coasting by inertia.
For some users, this is just a preference, or I might just be nitpicking, but I see it as a pain-point for Apple users looking to jump ship to a Surface. At the very least, Microsoft should offer a Synaptics-like control panel that lets you customize the trackpad at the nitty gritty level, even if that's something that most users won't ever touch.
Cameras
Microsoft has learned a lot regarding camera functionality on the Surface series. On the Surface Pro 3 there were ho-hum 5MP 1080P cameras on both the front and back. More egregious was the lack of proper autofocus for the rear world-facing camera. Fixed-focus cameras are acceptable for budget smartphones, not premium PCs.
Thankfully, Microsoft fixes these mistakes with the Surface Pro 4. With this generation, users can expect the following:
8.0MP rear-facing auto-focus camera, with 1080p HD camera
5.0MP front-facing 1080p HD camera
The rear camera is the same module found in the cheaper Surface 3, and I am glad to see it here. The addition of autofocus makes it useful and at 8MP it is quite good for a "tablet camera", more than you would expect. While I would never advocate shooting an event with this camera or simply a device of this size (please, don't ever be that person), for those in an enterprise or unique settings this is a solid camera for "utility" photography.
Notable changes
There are many other smaller changes to the new Surface compared to the last iteration, including:
No more Windows button on the bezel
New Microsoft logo on the back instead of Surface name
Larger and louder front-facing speakers
Volume keys moved from the left side to the top (to accommodate the magnetic pen docking points)
The removal of the Windows button on the bezel is just another sign of Windows 8's demise. Additionally, this was a nod to artists who complained about hitting the button when resting their palm on the bezel, as well as the slimming of that bezel.
The improved front-facing speakers are the same ones found in the Surface 3, and delivering louder and crisper sound with on-board Dolby Audio. I have always liked the speakers on the Surface line, and this version is no different.
[video=youtube;lTUaNbCx704]https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=lTUaNbCx704[/video]
http://www.windowscentral.com/surface-pro-4-review
Αναλυτικό review με πλήθος πληροφοριών επί πολλών θετικών αλλα και κάποιον αρνητικών που χρήζουν περαιτερω βελτίωση όπως στο trackpad και στην γραφιδα που εκεί επικεντρώνονται κυρίως παρα την αξιοσημειωτη βελτίωση σε σχέση με την προηγούμενη γενιά.
Όπως και κάποιες αλλαγές που δεν φαίνονται σε μια πρώτη ματια ειδικά για όσους δεν έχουν χρησιμοποιήσει προηγούμενη γενιά της σειρας,όπως τονίζεται στο τέλος.
The big shifts for the Surface Pro 4 compared to Surface Pro 3 come down to these fundamental components and features:
New 6th gen Intel Skylake processors
Higher resolution display (2763x1824 vs. 2160x1440)
Slightly larger screen (12.3 inches vs. 12.0)
Less heavy (lighter by 0.03 lbs)
Increased levels of pressure sensitivity for Pen (1024 vs. 256)
Facial recognition camera for Windows Hello
Updated distributed cooling system
Maximum internal storage increase to a 1TB SSD
Shift from mSATA to high-performance PCIe 3.0 for storage
Maximum RAM configuration now up to 16GB
Higher starting price: $799 (now $699) versus $899
For the Surface Pro 3 user, it is obvious that the Surface Pro 4 offers modest improvements in many categories. That is where the Surface Pro 4's story becomes interesting. While performance differences between a the 5th-generation Broadwell Core i5 and the new 6th-generation Skylake chips are slight, when you add in all the other features the Surface Pro 4 feels like a leaner, meaner machine.
Perhaps the biggest change though is not the Surface itself, but rather the new Type Cover, which makes some momentous changes all in the right direction. These modifications are significant to Surface Pro 3 owners too, as the new Type Cover is backwards-compatible with that tablet as well.
New Type Cover is the best Type Cover
Honestly, in using the Surface Pro 4 the most notable change is the keyboard. This experience should not be too surprising as nothing is more personal than typing on a computer. Indeed, this is a make or break area for many, and the previous Type Covers have all had a few drawbacks including the two-button trackpad being too small. Here are the noteworthy changes with this generation of the Type Cover:
Larger trackpad
New spread-out key design
New teal color option
Fingerprint ID version ($159.99)
Let's talk about typing. It's better. Much better. Although I had no real issues with the previous iteration of the Type Cover, the new design increases the space between the keys for an improved tactile feel. While the keys are slightly smaller to allow for that spacing, they're still large enough to type without looking, and the spacing only enhances that capacity. Size isn't everything, folks. The travel of the keys is also improved with the newer version, featuring a softer response along with a longer travel.
The top row of functions keys has also shifted around. Microsoft is ditching the dedicated Windows 8 function keys (e.g. Share, Search and Settings) but has added volume up/down and thankfully Print Screen and Insert. The result is a keyboard that feels more traditional for laptop users, rather than one focused on Windows 8.
The precision trackpad has also β once again β grown and is now super smooth glass. Third time's the charm, right? The new trackpad is significantly wider and taller. Now, I want to be clear that ideally it would still be even larger. However, like the Surface Pro 3, the trackpad is now at a tipping point: this is now good enough for most users. I would find it difficult to believe that most users would see this expanded trackpad as too small.
The drag coefficient (i.e. finger-on-glass friction) is also lower, leading to the new Type Cover trackpad being even smoother to the touch than its predecessor. It is a great experience.
Nonetheless, all is not perfect. I do wish there were more customizations with Microsoft's Precision Touchpad settings. Scrolling in Microsoft Edge feels nice, but the number of lines it scrolls in one swipe is not nearly enough for my usage. As a result, I feel like I have to work to browse a web page (or reduce the zoom to make items smaller). Likewise, for coasting scrolls, which requires a flick-like action and not the traditional method of coasting by inertia.
For some users, this is just a preference, or I might just be nitpicking, but I see it as a pain-point for Apple users looking to jump ship to a Surface. At the very least, Microsoft should offer a Synaptics-like control panel that lets you customize the trackpad at the nitty gritty level, even if that's something that most users won't ever touch.
Cameras
Microsoft has learned a lot regarding camera functionality on the Surface series. On the Surface Pro 3 there were ho-hum 5MP 1080P cameras on both the front and back. More egregious was the lack of proper autofocus for the rear world-facing camera. Fixed-focus cameras are acceptable for budget smartphones, not premium PCs.
Thankfully, Microsoft fixes these mistakes with the Surface Pro 4. With this generation, users can expect the following:
8.0MP rear-facing auto-focus camera, with 1080p HD camera
5.0MP front-facing 1080p HD camera
The rear camera is the same module found in the cheaper Surface 3, and I am glad to see it here. The addition of autofocus makes it useful and at 8MP it is quite good for a "tablet camera", more than you would expect. While I would never advocate shooting an event with this camera or simply a device of this size (please, don't ever be that person), for those in an enterprise or unique settings this is a solid camera for "utility" photography.
Notable changes
There are many other smaller changes to the new Surface compared to the last iteration, including:
No more Windows button on the bezel
New Microsoft logo on the back instead of Surface name
Larger and louder front-facing speakers
Volume keys moved from the left side to the top (to accommodate the magnetic pen docking points)
The removal of the Windows button on the bezel is just another sign of Windows 8's demise. Additionally, this was a nod to artists who complained about hitting the button when resting their palm on the bezel, as well as the slimming of that bezel.
The improved front-facing speakers are the same ones found in the Surface 3, and delivering louder and crisper sound with on-board Dolby Audio. I have always liked the speakers on the Surface line, and this version is no different.
[video=youtube;lTUaNbCx704]https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=lTUaNbCx704[/video]
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alextrela
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12 Νοεμβρίου η επίσημη day one στην Ευρωπη σύμφωνα με ευρωπαϊκά ms store
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...D.326546700?icid=home_triple_1_P1781_21102015
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Surface Book vs. Surface Pro 4: Picking the best came down to just one thing
Two great productivity machines, one hard choice.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2996...ing-the-best-came-down-to-just-one-thing.html
Conclusion: Money talks
You could argue that the Surface Book and Surface Pro 4 are two different products for two different markets, and don’t compete. But that’s a cop-out. Both are mobile devices that Microsoft designed for mobile professionals.
fat joe cash gif
So here’s the way we’re going to settle this once and for all. If you’re a corporate user, with a giant bucket of IT money sloshing dollars at perks like personal laser printers, oxygen bars and dry cleaning, buy the Book. It might be crazy-expensive, but what do you care?
But if you’re like us, just ordinary folks... well, the Surface Pro 4 might be more your style. You know how it works, you know what its limitations are, and if you believe in the Microsoft “rule of three” (that Microsoft never gets a product right until the third version), you’ll feel more assured that the Surface Pro 4 will be around for the long haul.
Honestly, though, we both feel the Surface Book and Surface Pro 4 are terrific pieces of hardware, and worth your money if you have it. You can’t go wrong buying either one.
Two great productivity machines, one hard choice.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2996...ing-the-best-came-down-to-just-one-thing.html
Conclusion: Money talks
You could argue that the Surface Book and Surface Pro 4 are two different products for two different markets, and don’t compete. But that’s a cop-out. Both are mobile devices that Microsoft designed for mobile professionals.
fat joe cash gif
So here’s the way we’re going to settle this once and for all. If you’re a corporate user, with a giant bucket of IT money sloshing dollars at perks like personal laser printers, oxygen bars and dry cleaning, buy the Book. It might be crazy-expensive, but what do you care?
But if you’re like us, just ordinary folks... well, the Surface Pro 4 might be more your style. You know how it works, you know what its limitations are, and if you believe in the Microsoft “rule of three” (that Microsoft never gets a product right until the third version), you’ll feel more assured that the Surface Pro 4 will be around for the long haul.
Honestly, though, we both feel the Surface Book and Surface Pro 4 are terrific pieces of hardware, and worth your money if you have it. You can’t go wrong buying either one.