Exorcist by Gryphon

Re: Απάντηση: Exorcist by Gryphon

thanasis k. said:
Εσεις βεβαια ακουτε ευκολα τις διαφορες - οπως και καποια χρυσα αυτια ριβιουερς, οποτε να υποθεσω οτι δεχεστε ενα μπλαιντ τεστ που να αναγνωριζετε ποτε εγινε ο απομαγνητισμος στο συστημα σας η μετατιθεται και αυτο στο μελλον οπως η προσκληση του να μου αποδειξετε οτι ακουτε τις διαφορες καλωδιων ρευματος;

Ημαρτον ρε παιδια.
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Θαναση γιατι πρεπει καποιος να αποδειξει κατι σε καποιον ρε φιλε?
Απλα πρεπει να επισημανθει πριν παρει καποιος κατι καλο ειναι να το δοκιμασει και να μην εμπιστευεται τις γνωμες των αλλων...
 
Δεν ήταν διαστημόπλοιο.
Ήταν λαγάνα εξτρατερέστριαλ.
Αλλά αυτά παθαίνεις άμα δεν έχεις εκπαιδευμένο μάτι τς τς τς.
 
Παντως το exorcist κανει δουλεια. Εχω αυτη τη φωτογραφια και δε πλησιαζει μαγνητικο κυμα ουτε για πλακα.
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Θαναση γιατι πρεπει καποιος να αποδειξει κατι σε καποιον ρε φιλε?
Απλα πρεπει να επισημανθει πριν παρει καποιος κατι καλο ειναι να το δοκιμασει και να μην εμπιστευεται τις γνωμες των αλλων...
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Γιατι Γιωργο εγω που λεω οτι μπορω να ξεχωρισω τον ηχο των ιντερκονεκτ μου, τοχω κανει με κλειστα ματια και οποιος φιλος θελει ερχεται στο σπιτι μου και κανουμε ενα τυφλο τεστ και του το αποδυκνειω
Τωρα οτι δεν ακουω εγω, δεν σημαινει απαραιτητα οτι δεν υπαρχει. μπορει καποιος φιλος να μου αποδειξει το αντιθετο.
Αλλα βεβαια οταν καποιος ακουει αυτες τις διαφορες με ανοιχτα ματια, οφειλει να τις ακουει και με κλειστα, ετσι δεν ειναι;
 
Εχεις τίποτα links με το σάλο που δημιουργήθηκ
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π.χ.

Ok, so what else am I so angry about? I read a review of a device called the Gryphon Exorcist (manufactured by the Danish company Gryphon Audio Designs), and the description claims that small amounts of residual magnetism in connectors or cables degrade the sound quality. The degradation "manifests itself as a 'whiteness' during intertransient silences". Gryphon apparently conducted subjective tests to "prove" this so-called theory - no objective testing appears to have been done, so it is of course completely unproven.

What utter and complete rubbish. I have never in all my life heard anything so blatantly nonsensical (with the possible exception of any given political speech). That these $#&**% can charge real money (this piece of excrement (oops, I meant exorcist - really) costs AU$100) to sell an electronic magic potion to the unsuspecting public really gets up my nose.
To be quite honest, I thought for a moment I was in a time warp, and it was really April - I had to check the date of publication a couple of times before I was convinced that they were actually serious.

demagnetiser, and was able to demagnetise the connector quite readily. The latter is a real tool, with a real use (for audio and video tape heads), and serves a real function.
Even if the speaker terminals were to be magnetised, I used 5 Amps to no avail - this is the equivalent of 200 Watts RMS into an 8 Ohm load. Somehow I don't think that too many audiophiles will really want to listen to a diminishing 200 Watts (per channel) of 1 kHz, and they would be foolish indeed to subject their speakers to such treatment - assuming of course that they could even stay in the room with it. I personally doubt that anyone would use this device at anything above a couple of watts because of the ear-splitting nature of such a tone.

What Difference?
So magnetised connectors will degrade the sound, will they? I connected my noise and distortion meter via a connector to an audio oscillator, and used the averaging capability of my oscilloscope to eliminate the (always present) random noise component. While observing the residual signal from the distortion meter (equivalent to a distortion of about 0.0015%), I then placed a very powerful magnet right on top of the connector. (By comparison, a tape head with such a strong field will give up completely, and only a low level distorted signal will remain.)
There was a very small disturbance created as the magnetic field generated a voltage when I moved the magnet, but once it was settled - nothing. Not a sausage, zero, zilch. I had just created a magnetised connector thousands of times more powerful than the earth's magnetic field could have done, let alone 20 microamps or so of asymmetrical music signal just passing through.
If we were talking about tape recorder heads, then yes, I agree that residual magnetism in the heads will indeed degrade the sound. At a real stretch we could even call it a 'whiteness' during intertransient silences or just simple white noise that is there all the time. This is a real phenomenon, caused by the alignment of magnetic particles by a magnetised tape head. During the heyday of tape, people used tape head demagnetisers to combat this problem. I have never heard of or seen any evidence that enough current could be passed through the head itself to demagnetise it, without the real risk of burning out the coil. Demagnetising connectors and copper tracks with a few measly microamps at 1kHz - I don't think so.
One assumes that the folks at Gryphon are presently working on a system to combat the earth's magnetic field, because this is far more invasive than a few microamps of leakage current through an electrolytic capacitor, or a nanoamp of leakage across a printed circuit board (this is supposedly how your connectors and conductors become magnetised in the first place, in case you were wondering).

Conclusion
Do not buy this product, and demand that your hi-hi dealer remove it from stock or you will go elsewhere. This sort of rubbish gives the hi-fi fraternity a bad name (Hey, these guys are so gullible they will buy anything - watch this one !!).
Even if the basic premise were true, and a magnetised connector did create a "whiteness" (whatever that is supposed to mean), this device - or any similar device - will not remove it. This is false advertising, and as such is illegal in Australia (and yes, I am forwarding a copy of this to the NSW Department of Fair Trading).
If you want to test the possible validity of the claims made by Gryphon, you could (see warning, below) use a tape head demagnetiser on all of the connectors in the system with the power off (stay well away from pickup cartridges!). While you are at it, you should also demagnetise IC and transistor leads, as well as the passive components. Many people use magnetised tools to hold screws, and if a magnetised screwdriver comes into contact with lead cutters, some residual magnetism will be passed on to these leads. Please tell me if you detect any sonic difference after the treatment - I doubt that you will, but I am always open to new ideas and there are many things that we do not fully understand.
WARNING: If you happen to damage components with the strong field from a demagnetiser the responsibility is entirely yours, and the author will accept no responsibility for any damage, loss of performance, loss of life or anything else that is the result of your actions. I do not recommend that you even attempt a complete demagnetisation of your equipment, because the claims are fallacious (not to mention farcical).
The reviewer said in closing "I was very disappointed that the Gryphon Exorcist did not improve the sound of my system, because I am always looking for ways to improve its sound." Well, now you know why CC (the reviewer's initials - I will spare him the embarrassment of naming names since he only reviewed it).
Feel free to print this article and show it to your dealer. It's time that we got together and stopped this sort of nonsense once and for all.
I am forwarding a copy of this to the NSW Department of Fair Trading (in Australia), the manufacturer and the magazine that published the review. I will let you know what transpires.
 
Απομαγνητισμό κεφαλών μαγνητοφώνου ή κεφαλής πικάπ το καταλαβαίνω. Απομαγνητισμό ενισχυτή δεν μου έρχεται με τίποτα...
 
Re: Απάντηση: Exorcist by Gryphon

thanasis k. said:
π.χ.

Ok, so what else am I so angry about? I read a review of a device called the Gryphon Exorcist (manufactured by the Danish company Gryphon Audio Designs), and the description claims that small amounts of residual magnetism in connectors or cables degrade the sound quality. The degradation "manifests itself as a 'whiteness' during intertransient silences". Gryphon apparently conducted subjective tests to "prove" this so-called theory - no objective testing appears to have been done, so it is of course completely unproven.

What utter and complete rubbish. I have never in all my life heard anything so blatantly nonsensical (with the possible exception of any given political speech). That these $#&**% can charge real money (this piece of excrement (oops, I meant exorcist - really) costs AU$100) to sell an electronic magic potion to the unsuspecting public really gets up my nose.
To be quite honest, I thought for a moment I was in a time warp, and it was really April - I had to check the date of publication a couple of times before I was convinced that they were actually serious.

demagnetiser, and was able to demagnetise the connector quite readily. The latter is a real tool, with a real use (for audio and video tape heads), and serves a real function.
Even if the speaker terminals were to be magnetised, I used 5 Amps to no avail - this is the equivalent of 200 Watts RMS into an 8 Ohm load. Somehow I don't think that too many audiophiles will really want to listen to a diminishing 200 Watts (per channel) of 1 kHz, and they would be foolish indeed to subject their speakers to such treatment - assuming of course that they could even stay in the room with it. I personally doubt that anyone would use this device at anything above a couple of watts because of the ear-splitting nature of such a tone.

What Difference?
So magnetised connectors will degrade the sound, will they? I connected my noise and distortion meter via a connector to an audio oscillator, and used the averaging capability of my oscilloscope to eliminate the (always present) random noise component. While observing the residual signal from the distortion meter (equivalent to a distortion of about 0.0015%), I then placed a very powerful magnet right on top of the connector. (By comparison, a tape head with such a strong field will give up completely, and only a low level distorted signal will remain.)
There was a very small disturbance created as the magnetic field generated a voltage when I moved the magnet, but once it was settled - nothing. Not a sausage, zero, zilch. I had just created a magnetised connector thousands of times more powerful than the earth's magnetic field could have done, let alone 20 microamps or so of asymmetrical music signal just passing through.
If we were talking about tape recorder heads, then yes, I agree that residual magnetism in the heads will indeed degrade the sound. At a real stretch we could even call it a 'whiteness' during intertransient silences or just simple white noise that is there all the time. This is a real phenomenon, caused by the alignment of magnetic particles by a magnetised tape head. During the heyday of tape, people used tape head demagnetisers to combat this problem. I have never heard of or seen any evidence that enough current could be passed through the head itself to demagnetise it, without the real risk of burning out the coil. Demagnetising connectors and copper tracks with a few measly microamps at 1kHz - I don't think so.
One assumes that the folks at Gryphon are presently working on a system to combat the earth's magnetic field, because this is far more invasive than a few microamps of leakage current through an electrolytic capacitor, or a nanoamp of leakage across a printed circuit board (this is supposedly how your connectors and conductors become magnetised in the first place, in case you were wondering).

Conclusion
Do not buy this product, and demand that your hi-hi dealer remove it from stock or you will go elsewhere. This sort of rubbish gives the hi-fi fraternity a bad name (Hey, these guys are so gullible they will buy anything - watch this one !!).
Even if the basic premise were true, and a magnetised connector did create a "whiteness" (whatever that is supposed to mean), this device - or any similar device - will not remove it. This is false advertising, and as such is illegal in Australia (and yes, I am forwarding a copy of this to the NSW Department of Fair Trading).
If you want to test the possible validity of the claims made by Gryphon, you could (see warning, below) use a tape head demagnetiser on all of the connectors in the system with the power off (stay well away from pickup cartridges!). While you are at it, you should also demagnetise IC and transistor leads, as well as the passive components. Many people use magnetised tools to hold screws, and if a magnetised screwdriver comes into contact with lead cutters, some residual magnetism will be passed on to these leads. Please tell me if you detect any sonic difference after the treatment - I doubt that you will, but I am always open to new ideas and there are many things that we do not fully understand.
WARNING: If you happen to damage components with the strong field from a demagnetiser the responsibility is entirely yours, and the author will accept no responsibility for any damage, loss of performance, loss of life or anything else that is the result of your actions. I do not recommend that you even attempt a complete demagnetisation of your equipment, because the claims are fallacious (not to mention farcical).
The reviewer said in closing "I was very disappointed that the Gryphon Exorcist did not improve the sound of my system, because I am always looking for ways to improve its sound." Well, now you know why CC (the reviewer's initials - I will spare him the embarrassment of naming names since he only reviewed it).
Feel free to print this article and show it to your dealer. It's time that we got together and stopped this sort of nonsense once and for all.
I am forwarding a copy of this to the NSW Department of Fair Trading (in Australia), the manufacturer and the magazine that published the review. I will let you know what transpires.
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Αυτό δεν είναι σάλος.Είναι μια προσωπική γνώμη του γνωστού αιρετικού
Eliot.Αλλο link έχεις ?
 
Απάντηση: Re: Exorcist by Gryphon

ln() said:
Απομαγνητισμό κεφαλών μαγνητοφώνου ή κεφαλής πικάπ το καταλαβαίνω. Απομαγνητισμό ενισχυτή δεν μου έρχεται με τίποτα...
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Απομαγνητισμό κεφαλών μαγνητοφώνου ή κασετοφώνου ναι.
Και με προσοχή σύμφωνα με την σωστή διαδικασία για να μην τις καταστρέψεις...

Κεφαλής πικάπ όχι!
 
Αυτό δεν είναι σάλος.Είναι μια προσωπική γνώμη του γνωστού αιρετικού
Eliot.Αλλο link έχεις ?
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η εταιρια γιατι σταματησε την παραγωγη του σε τοσο συντομο χρονικο διαστημα;
 
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