Καθαρή εκμετάλλευση. Η πλακέτα δεν στοιχίζει ούτε το 1/10 της τιμής αυτής. Να υπάρχει θέμα με ανταλλακτικά πάνελ να το καταλάβω, αλλά στα απλά ηλεκτρονικά;
Pioneer Kuro 9th generation
- Thread starter aragorn
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mikez
Established Member
καλησπεριζω ολους!!εχω ενα προβλημα με την kuro 5090 αν μπορειτε να με βοηθησετε!κανει θορυβο το πανελ εναν λεπτο ενοχλητικο ηχο ειδικα οταν δειχνει μαυρη εικονα π.χ οταν αλλαζω καναλι!το εχει αντιμετωπισει κανενας;καποιος ειδικος μαστορας να την παω;;
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
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mikez
Established Member
μετα την καταργηση των αναλογικων συχνοτητων απο τον υμητο εκανα σαρωση στην ψηφιακη μπαντα και ενω ολα τα καναλια παιζουν καλα,αντιμετωπιζω προβλημα με το kontra chanel οπου δεν υπαρχει σημα.το κακο ειναι οτι δεν εχω δευτερη τηλεοραση για να ελεγξω αν παιζει το εν λογω καναλι.
τι μπορει να φταει?
τι μπορει να φταει?
Καλησπέρα, εδώ και 2 ώρες η τηλεόραση δεν ανοίγει.
Κάποια στιγμή έσβησε η οθόνη -ενώ είχε ήχο- και δεν μπορούσες να αλλάξεις κανάλι. Αφού την έκλεισα απο τον διακόπτη και την ξανάνοιξα, παραμένει σε standby (κόκκινο) και δεν ανταποκρίνεται ούτε μέσω τηλεκοντρόλ ούτε απο τα κουμπιά στο πλάι.
Καμιά ιδέα?
Απο οτι φαινεται μετα απο πολλες ωρες παιξηματος, της τοπ ακομα kuro, αρκετοι εχουν αυτο το (προβλημα) κοκκινη σκια στα μαυρα.Μονο σε απολυτο σκοταδι ειναι ορατο.Και εδω λυσεις.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1361871/of...#post_21291810
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasm...blacks-28.html
εχει καποιος αντιμετοπιση το συγκεκριμενο θεμα? και πως?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1361871/of...#post_21291810
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasm...blacks-28.html
εχει καποιος αντιμετοπιση το συγκεκριμενο θεμα? και πως?
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
AVClub Fanatic
κοκκινιλα σε μαυρο,υπαρχει και στο δικο μου πανελ και μαλιστα το παρατηρησε και ο Καστρουνης που ηρθε για calibration πριν κανα 6μηνο.
το εφερε οσο μπορουσε με τις ρυθμισεις,αλλα παραμενει μια κοκκινιλα και ειναι ορατη καποιες φορες(ελαχιστα και οχι παντα).
η γνωμη του Μανωλη,ειναι οτι το πανελ κοκκινιζει λιγο παραπανω απ`οτι συνηθως(προφανως υπαρχει μια ταση προς το κοκκινο γενικοτερα).
ειναι θεμα πανελ.
Απάντηση: Re: Pioneer Kuro 9th generation
Μιας και το ανωτέρω είναι copy - paste του thread που ανοίχτηκε στην κατηγορία "Γενική Συζήτηση", διαγράφτηκε το thread ώστε να μην γίνει συζήτηση σε δυο διαφορετικές κατηγορίες για το ίδιο θέμα...
...η συζήτηση μπορεί να συνεχιστεί εδώ :2thumb22sup:
Μιας και το ανωτέρω είναι copy - paste του thread που ανοίχτηκε στην κατηγορία "Γενική Συζήτηση", διαγράφτηκε το thread ώστε να μην γίνει συζήτηση σε δυο διαφορετικές κατηγορίες για το ίδιο θέμα...
...η συζήτηση μπορεί να συνεχιστεί εδώ :2thumb22sup:
Μολις αγορασα το συγκεκριμενο καλοδιο http://www.plaisio.gr/Peripherals/Connectivity/Cables/Adapters/Turbo-X-USB-A-Male-DB9-Male-Male.htm
Και αυτο το βραδυ, μαλον θα κανω την διαδικασια αυτη .
I have been working through the service manuals and the procedure is exactly the same for all 9G models. The only slight difference are the tentative voltage setting values but I will describe these later.
I was only confident trying this fix as it is exactly the same procedure used by Pioneer service engineers when servicing the panel.
I can break it down like this. The reason the screens go grey / red is because various corrections are made by the TV (referring to the pulse-meter count) to calculate how long the panel has been used for. My method resets these corrections basically fooling the TV into thinking it has a brand new panel again. Remember that the panel is not brand new so some adjustment maybe required after the clearing procedure. I would be interested to know if it is only people using calibrated settings who have had the red tint over time?
The section below is common to ALL 9G Kuros and is straight from the service manual.
8.4 ADJUSTMENT WHEN THE SERVICE PANEL ASSY IS REPLACED
After the panel is replaced with one for service, voltage margin adjustment is required.
Basically, voltage margin adjustment is performed using the Panel Factory menu.
After the panel is replaced and the unit is turned on, clear the pulse meter first.
For details on how to clear the pulse meter, see "8.3 HOW TO CLEAR HISTORY DATA".
∗1: As various corrections are made referring to the pulse-meter count to calculate how long the panel has been used, if adjustment of the panel for service is performed without clearing the pulse-meter count, proper adjustments will not be performed.
∗2: The drive sequence for Video 60-Hz is used for adjustment. When adjustment is made using the Panel Factory menu, the current drive sequence is displayed on the screen, as shown in the figure below. Make sure that 60VS is always indicated during adjustment.
Procedures for resetting corrections for change over time:
Turn the unit on. / [PON]
Enter Factory mode. / [FAY]
Set PM/B1-B5 to CLEAR (to clear the pulse meter). / [CPM]
Set HR-MTR to CLEAR (to clear the hour meter). / [CHM]
Turn the unit off. / [POF]
∗ To reflect the results of log clearing for each correction function,
the unit must be turned off then back on again. Before adjustment,
be sure to turn the unit off then back on again.
The next part of the section regards the tentative voltage settings. These do vary slightly depending on which model you have. Only change these using the remote and only if you have issues after clearing. These tentative settings are a safe default if you get stuck. Where it says "indication value", these are the values you already have so no need to change them.
Procedures for stabilizing the panel before adjustment:
Turn the unit on. / [PON]
Enter Factory mode. / [FAY]
For 5020FD / LX5090
Setting Item Tentative Setting Value
VOL SUS / [VSU ∗∗∗] 128
VOL OFFSET / [VOF ∗∗∗] VOF indication value
VOL RST P / [VRP ∗∗∗] VRP indication value
VOL XPOFS1 / [VX1 ∗∗∗] 085
VOL XPOFS2 / [VX2 ∗∗∗] 047
VOL YNOFS1 D / [V1F ∗∗∗] V1F indication value
VOL YNOFS3 D / [V3F ∗∗∗] V3F indication value +0
VOL YNOFS4 D / [V4F ∗∗∗] V4F indication value
VOL YNOFSA D / [VYF ∗∗∗] 128
For 101FD / 500M
Setting Item Tentative Setting Value
VOL SUS / [VSU ∗∗∗] 128
VOL OFFSET / [VOF ∗∗∗] VOF indication value
VOL RST P / [VRP ∗∗∗] VRP indication value
VOL XPOFS1 / [VX1 ∗∗∗] 085
VOL XPOFS2 / [VX2 ∗∗∗] 063
VOL YNOFS1 D / [V1F ∗∗∗] V1F indication value
VOL YNOFS3 D / [V3F ∗∗∗] V3F indication value +0
VOL YNOFS4 D / [V4F ∗∗∗] V4F indication value
VOL YNOFSA D / [VYF ∗∗∗] 128
6020FD / LX6090 / 600M
Setting Item Tentative Setting Value
VOL SUS / [VSU ∗∗∗] 128
VOL OFFSET / [VOF ∗∗∗] VOF indication value
VOL RST P / [VRP ∗∗∗] VRP indication value
VOL XPOFS1 / [VX1 ∗∗∗] 105
VOL XPOFS2 / [VX2 ∗∗∗] 063
VOL YNOFS1 D / [V1F ∗∗∗] V1F indication value
VOL YNOFS3 D / [V3F ∗∗∗] V3F indication value +0
VOL YNOFS4 D / [V4F ∗∗∗] V4F indication value
VOL YNOFSA D / [VYF ∗∗∗] 128
It is interesting that there is a difference between 5020/5090 and 500M in the VOL XPOFS2 value only, but this doesn't apply to the 60" TVs.
The most interesting value is VOL RST P which seems to concern black levels and is the one Pioneer themselves adjusted on mascior's TV. If you adjust to low you get sparkles (although I didn't), to high and the MLL or black luminence is raised and you can see the black turn to grey again. If you have an issue of too much black, raise VOL RST P but don't raise it too high or you will lose your inky blacks.
I personally don't think it is possible to brick the TV with voltage margin adjustments but I cannot guarantee this and you do it at your own risk. I have had VOL RST P down to 010 and up to 118 without issue.
I have set all my voltages to the tentative values apart from VOL RST P which I have raised to 062. The picture is now perfect and I tested it for 6 hours straight last night (Alien Anthology). No artefacts, no sparkles, no excess heat and bezel matching blacks
Και αυτο το βραδυ, μαλον θα κανω την διαδικασια αυτη .
I have been working through the service manuals and the procedure is exactly the same for all 9G models. The only slight difference are the tentative voltage setting values but I will describe these later.
I was only confident trying this fix as it is exactly the same procedure used by Pioneer service engineers when servicing the panel.
I can break it down like this. The reason the screens go grey / red is because various corrections are made by the TV (referring to the pulse-meter count) to calculate how long the panel has been used for. My method resets these corrections basically fooling the TV into thinking it has a brand new panel again. Remember that the panel is not brand new so some adjustment maybe required after the clearing procedure. I would be interested to know if it is only people using calibrated settings who have had the red tint over time?
The section below is common to ALL 9G Kuros and is straight from the service manual.
8.4 ADJUSTMENT WHEN THE SERVICE PANEL ASSY IS REPLACED
After the panel is replaced with one for service, voltage margin adjustment is required.
Basically, voltage margin adjustment is performed using the Panel Factory menu.
After the panel is replaced and the unit is turned on, clear the pulse meter first.
For details on how to clear the pulse meter, see "8.3 HOW TO CLEAR HISTORY DATA".
∗1: As various corrections are made referring to the pulse-meter count to calculate how long the panel has been used, if adjustment of the panel for service is performed without clearing the pulse-meter count, proper adjustments will not be performed.
∗2: The drive sequence for Video 60-Hz is used for adjustment. When adjustment is made using the Panel Factory menu, the current drive sequence is displayed on the screen, as shown in the figure below. Make sure that 60VS is always indicated during adjustment.
Procedures for resetting corrections for change over time:
Turn the unit on. / [PON]
Enter Factory mode. / [FAY]
Set PM/B1-B5 to CLEAR (to clear the pulse meter). / [CPM]
Set HR-MTR to CLEAR (to clear the hour meter). / [CHM]
Turn the unit off. / [POF]
∗ To reflect the results of log clearing for each correction function,
the unit must be turned off then back on again. Before adjustment,
be sure to turn the unit off then back on again.
The next part of the section regards the tentative voltage settings. These do vary slightly depending on which model you have. Only change these using the remote and only if you have issues after clearing. These tentative settings are a safe default if you get stuck. Where it says "indication value", these are the values you already have so no need to change them.
Procedures for stabilizing the panel before adjustment:
Turn the unit on. / [PON]
Enter Factory mode. / [FAY]
For 5020FD / LX5090
Setting Item Tentative Setting Value
VOL SUS / [VSU ∗∗∗] 128
VOL OFFSET / [VOF ∗∗∗] VOF indication value
VOL RST P / [VRP ∗∗∗] VRP indication value
VOL XPOFS1 / [VX1 ∗∗∗] 085
VOL XPOFS2 / [VX2 ∗∗∗] 047
VOL YNOFS1 D / [V1F ∗∗∗] V1F indication value
VOL YNOFS3 D / [V3F ∗∗∗] V3F indication value +0
VOL YNOFS4 D / [V4F ∗∗∗] V4F indication value
VOL YNOFSA D / [VYF ∗∗∗] 128
For 101FD / 500M
Setting Item Tentative Setting Value
VOL SUS / [VSU ∗∗∗] 128
VOL OFFSET / [VOF ∗∗∗] VOF indication value
VOL RST P / [VRP ∗∗∗] VRP indication value
VOL XPOFS1 / [VX1 ∗∗∗] 085
VOL XPOFS2 / [VX2 ∗∗∗] 063
VOL YNOFS1 D / [V1F ∗∗∗] V1F indication value
VOL YNOFS3 D / [V3F ∗∗∗] V3F indication value +0
VOL YNOFS4 D / [V4F ∗∗∗] V4F indication value
VOL YNOFSA D / [VYF ∗∗∗] 128
6020FD / LX6090 / 600M
Setting Item Tentative Setting Value
VOL SUS / [VSU ∗∗∗] 128
VOL OFFSET / [VOF ∗∗∗] VOF indication value
VOL RST P / [VRP ∗∗∗] VRP indication value
VOL XPOFS1 / [VX1 ∗∗∗] 105
VOL XPOFS2 / [VX2 ∗∗∗] 063
VOL YNOFS1 D / [V1F ∗∗∗] V1F indication value
VOL YNOFS3 D / [V3F ∗∗∗] V3F indication value +0
VOL YNOFS4 D / [V4F ∗∗∗] V4F indication value
VOL YNOFSA D / [VYF ∗∗∗] 128
It is interesting that there is a difference between 5020/5090 and 500M in the VOL XPOFS2 value only, but this doesn't apply to the 60" TVs.
The most interesting value is VOL RST P which seems to concern black levels and is the one Pioneer themselves adjusted on mascior's TV. If you adjust to low you get sparkles (although I didn't), to high and the MLL or black luminence is raised and you can see the black turn to grey again. If you have an issue of too much black, raise VOL RST P but don't raise it too high or you will lose your inky blacks.
I personally don't think it is possible to brick the TV with voltage margin adjustments but I cannot guarantee this and you do it at your own risk. I have had VOL RST P down to 010 and up to 118 without issue.
I have set all my voltages to the tentative values apart from VOL RST P which I have raised to 062. The picture is now perfect and I tested it for 6 hours straight last night (Alien Anthology). No artefacts, no sparkles, no excess heat and bezel matching blacks
Εδω και αλλες οδηγιες.
Step 1 concerns connecting your TV to Hyperterminal. If you are already okay with issuing RS232 commands, proceed to step 2.
Step 1
You will need:
A computer with serial port (you can buy USB to serial adaptors if you don’t have one).
A serial cable (9 pin to 9 pin, female to female, straight not null modem).
Hyperterminal (included with XP).
1. Connect the computer to the TV with the serial cable.
2. Start Hyperterminal (Start > All Programs > Accessories > Communications >HyperTerminal).
3. It will ask you to create a new connection. Name it whatever you want (TV for example) and choose an icon (can be any) and click OK.
4. On the next screen (Connect To), ignore the phone number field and change the ‛Connect using’ drop down box to your serial port (usually COM1) and click OK.
5. Next you will see ‛COM1 Properties’. The default bits per second or Baud rate is 9600 for Pioneer displays.
6. Set BPS: 9600, Data Bits: 8, Parity: None, Stop Bits: 1, Flow Control: None and click OK.
7. Next go to File > Properties and open the Settings tab. Click on ‛ASCII Setup..’ button. Make sure ‛Send line ends with line feeds’ is NOT checked and make sure ‛Echo typed characters locally’ IS checked. Click OK and Click OK on the properties screen.
8. You should now be set to communicate with the TV. To test all is okay, put the TV in standby (red light on front).
9. Now type PON in the Hyperterminal and press Enter. The TV should turn on (blue light). Now type POF and press return and it should go back to stand by. Please note typing in Hyperterminal is odd and everything will appear on one line. This is normal. Don’t try to move the cursor with the mouse or anything like I did. Just type commands (even if they overwrite what you have just typed) and press Enter. That’s it.
10. Hopefully the TV responded to PON and POF. If so then you are ready to do the fix.
Step 2.
1. Make sure your TV is in stand by (red light on front).
2. Type PON and press Enter (TV should turn on).
3. Type FAY and press Enter (Enter Factory Mode).
4. Type CPM and press Enter (Clear pulse meter).
5. Type CHM and press Enter (Clear Hour meter).
6. Type POF and press Enter (turn TV off).
7. Unplug TV for 15 seconds or so.
Note changes are not visible until the TV has been turned off and on again.
That was all I did. The red tints have gone and black luminance is back to normal. If you see sparkles on the screen you may need to adjust VOL SUS and the VOL RST P in the service menu. A guy in the other forum said you raise VOL RST P until the sparkles disappear. The usual setting for VOL SUS is 128.
πριν.
μετα.
Step 1 concerns connecting your TV to Hyperterminal. If you are already okay with issuing RS232 commands, proceed to step 2.
Step 1
You will need:
A computer with serial port (you can buy USB to serial adaptors if you don’t have one).
A serial cable (9 pin to 9 pin, female to female, straight not null modem).
Hyperterminal (included with XP).
1. Connect the computer to the TV with the serial cable.
2. Start Hyperterminal (Start > All Programs > Accessories > Communications >HyperTerminal).
3. It will ask you to create a new connection. Name it whatever you want (TV for example) and choose an icon (can be any) and click OK.
4. On the next screen (Connect To), ignore the phone number field and change the ‛Connect using’ drop down box to your serial port (usually COM1) and click OK.
5. Next you will see ‛COM1 Properties’. The default bits per second or Baud rate is 9600 for Pioneer displays.
6. Set BPS: 9600, Data Bits: 8, Parity: None, Stop Bits: 1, Flow Control: None and click OK.
7. Next go to File > Properties and open the Settings tab. Click on ‛ASCII Setup..’ button. Make sure ‛Send line ends with line feeds’ is NOT checked and make sure ‛Echo typed characters locally’ IS checked. Click OK and Click OK on the properties screen.
8. You should now be set to communicate with the TV. To test all is okay, put the TV in standby (red light on front).
9. Now type PON in the Hyperterminal and press Enter. The TV should turn on (blue light). Now type POF and press return and it should go back to stand by. Please note typing in Hyperterminal is odd and everything will appear on one line. This is normal. Don’t try to move the cursor with the mouse or anything like I did. Just type commands (even if they overwrite what you have just typed) and press Enter. That’s it.
10. Hopefully the TV responded to PON and POF. If so then you are ready to do the fix.
Step 2.
1. Make sure your TV is in stand by (red light on front).
2. Type PON and press Enter (TV should turn on).
3. Type FAY and press Enter (Enter Factory Mode).
4. Type CPM and press Enter (Clear pulse meter).
5. Type CHM and press Enter (Clear Hour meter).
6. Type POF and press Enter (turn TV off).
7. Unplug TV for 15 seconds or so.
Note changes are not visible until the TV has been turned off and on again.
That was all I did. The red tints have gone and black luminance is back to normal. If you see sparkles on the screen you may need to adjust VOL SUS and the VOL RST P in the service menu. A guy in the other forum said you raise VOL RST P until the sparkles disappear. The usual setting for VOL SUS is 128.
πριν.
μετα.
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
AVClub Fanatic
το θεμα ειναι "το ρισκαρεις..?"
και αν στραβωσει κατι?
γιατι εδω παρεμβαινεις σε κρυφα μονοπατια της τιβι απ`οτι καταλαβα..
και αν στραβωσει κατι?
γιατι εδω παρεμβαινεις σε κρυφα μονοπατια της τιβι απ`οτι καταλαβα..
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
AVClub Fanatic
κοιτα-το εχω συνηθισει και δεν με ενοχλει.ετσι κι αλλιως μετα την παρεμβαση του Μανωλη,εχει σχεδον εξαληφθει.
προτιμω να ειναι οκ η τιβι και δεν θα ρισκαρω να της κανω ζημια.
εαν ερθει ο Καστρουνης για κανα καλιμπραρισμα και το δοκιμασει ο ιδιος δεν εχω προβλημα.μονος μου δεν το επιχειρω..
Πάντως το reset από όσο διάβασα δεν το προτείνουν αρκετοί γνώστες.
Ίσως μόνο με τα voltages να γίνεται η δουλειά αλλά και πάλι δεν ξέρω αν αξίζει. Και μένα σε απόλυτο σκοτάδι έχει κοκκινίλα κάργα αλλά ανάβω λίγο ένα πλαϊνό φως γιατί ούτως ή άλλως με κουράζει το απόλυτο σκοτάδι. Αυτό δεν σημαίνει ότι δεν θα μπω στον πειρασμό να το κάνω! Απλά θέλω να διαβάσω τα ξένα forums και είναι πολλά τα Posts!
Ίσως μόνο με τα voltages να γίνεται η δουλειά αλλά και πάλι δεν ξέρω αν αξίζει. Και μένα σε απόλυτο σκοτάδι έχει κοκκινίλα κάργα αλλά ανάβω λίγο ένα πλαϊνό φως γιατί ούτως ή άλλως με κουράζει το απόλυτο σκοτάδι. Αυτό δεν σημαίνει ότι δεν θα μπω στον πειρασμό να το κάνω! Απλά θέλω να διαβάσω τα ξένα forums και είναι πολλά τα Posts!
Και εδω για οποιον χρειαζεται το SERVICE MANUAL PIONEER PDP-LX5090H SM
http://elektrotanya.com/pioneer_pdp-lx5090_arp3480.pdf/download.html
http://elektrotanya.com/pioneer_pdp-lx5090_arp3480.pdf/download.html
vas_papavas
Supreme Member
- 21 December 2010
- 8,847
Εδω και αλλες οδηγιες.
Step 1 concerns connecting your TV to Hyperterminal. If you are already okay with issuing RS232 commands, proceed to step 2.
Step 1
You will need:
A computer with serial port (you can buy USB to serial adaptors if you don’t have one).
A serial cable (9 pin to 9 pin, female to female, straight not null modem).
Hyperterminal (included with XP).
1. Connect the computer to the TV with the serial cable.
2. Start Hyperterminal (Start > All Programs > Accessories > Communications >HyperTerminal).
3. It will ask you to create a new connection. Name it whatever you want (TV for example) and choose an icon (can be any) and click OK.
4. On the next screen (Connect To), ignore the phone number field and change the ‛Connect using’ drop down box to your serial port (usually COM1) and click OK.
5. Next you will see ‛COM1 Properties’. The default bits per second or Baud rate is 9600 for Pioneer displays.
6. Set BPS: 9600, Data Bits: 8, Parity: None, Stop Bits: 1, Flow Control: None and click OK.
7. Next go to File > Properties and open the Settings tab. Click on ‛ASCII Setup..’ button. Make sure ‛Send line ends with line feeds’ is NOT checked and make sure ‛Echo typed characters locally’ IS checked. Click OK and Click OK on the properties screen.
8. You should now be set to communicate with the TV. To test all is okay, put the TV in standby (red light on front).
9. Now type PON in the Hyperterminal and press Enter. The TV should turn on (blue light). Now type POF and press return and it should go back to stand by. Please note typing in Hyperterminal is odd and everything will appear on one line. This is normal. Don’t try to move the cursor with the mouse or anything like I did. Just type commands (even if they overwrite what you have just typed) and press Enter. That’s it.
10. Hopefully the TV responded to PON and POF. If so then you are ready to do the fix.
Step 2.
1. Make sure your TV is in stand by (red light on front).
2. Type PON and press Enter (TV should turn on).
3. Type FAY and press Enter (Enter Factory Mode).
4. Type CPM and press Enter (Clear pulse meter).
5. Type CHM and press Enter (Clear Hour meter).
6. Type POF and press Enter (turn TV off).
7. Unplug TV for 15 seconds or so.
Note changes are not visible until the TV has been turned off and on again.
That was all I did. The red tints have gone and black luminance is back to normal. If you see sparkles on the screen you may need to adjust VOL SUS and the VOL RST P in the service menu. A guy in the other forum said you raise VOL RST P until the sparkles disappear. The usual setting for VOL SUS is 128.
πριν.
μετα.
Οι 2 φωτό ειναι με τις ίδιες ρυθμίσεις στην φωτογραφική μηχανή ??? δε νομίζω.