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Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Πάντως στο site της στην Αμερική το ρολόι τρέχει αντίστροφα προετοιμάζοντας τον κόσμο για κάτι καλό ...

(Αφήστε να φορτώσει την εισαγωγή και μετά... εξερευνήστε)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/projectkuro/index.html

Μου φαίνεται μεγάλο στοίχημα πάντως, εάν είναι τόσο καλές όσο η εταιρεία θέλει να προϊδεάσει τον κόσμο τότε ο πήχης ανεβαίνει πολύ για όλους :grinning-smiley-043
 
Απάντηση: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Pioneer 2007 plasma TV line-up: Better blacks and 1080p


Crave has always had a soft spot for Pioneer's plasma televisions -- they're a little more expensive than the competition, but the quality has always been some of the best about. With their 2007 range, Pioneer is concentrating on two areas: better blacks and 1080p.

The new TVs all have support for 24p, which means they can show movies at the exact rate they were recorded at. This means more natural sound, at the right pitch. For those of use used to the 4 per cent PAL speedup, this is great news. They also have DVB-T receivers, which means you'll get Freeview services with no need for extra hardware.

The range has both 720p and 1080p models. Pioneer is keen to emphasise that the maximum resolution isn't the most important factor in the quality of a television, instead claiming that good black levels and good image processing are far more important. To this end, it has spent quite a bit of time and money developing improvements for plasma display technology.

Connectivity is also decent: there are three HDMI sockets across the whole range, with one at the side of the screen for hooking up your PlayStation 3. There are plenty of Scart and composite inputs for all your older gear.

Some of the models have Pioneer's new 'optimum mode' which adjusts the screen to best suit the viewing environment and the source material. This means it will reduce the brightness in dark rooms and increase it in brightly lit ones. There's also noise-reduction processing that will help to reduce MPEG artefacts and other kinds of image noise.

The TVs all come in 42- and 50-inch sizes, with a 60-inch high-end model as well. At the top end, the screens promise a staggering contrast ratio of 20,000:1 and 1080p resolutions. These screens will be on sale from September. There are also a number of 720p screens with contrast ratios of 16,000:1, which will be available from June. No prices just yet, but don't expect your bank manager to be happy.

Pioneer showed a demo model of its new screens against their previous model, and the difference in black level was striking. If you are about to splash a boat-load of cash on a new screen, you'll definitely want to have a look at these beauties. -Ian Morris

Πηγή: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49290320,00.htm
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Ενα ενδιαφερον review:

Hands on Next Generation Pioneer Panels.
Today I had a national meeting with Pioneer regarding every product that is releasing between now and September. There are plenty of exciting products including a full line of Receivers that support True HD and DTS HD. As well as using 1.3 inputs on the 92 and 94 models. Plus confirmation that the new Blu Ray players (yes both the Elite and Standard model) will have 1.3 outputs and full BD Java support.

But honestly we're here to talk about the much anticipated 8th gen, which Pioneer wants called Next Gen instead due to the fact that the only part carried over from previous panels is the chasis.

I was able to check out all 8 panels today (4 in both divisions) and not only will the public be in complete awe over the 1080p 50's and 60's but trust me when I say that even the 720p models absolutely destroy anything currently offered in a 1080p product from Sony, Panasonic, Sharp & Samsung. The reason I mention these 4 brands is they did a side by side comparison between a 92 series Sharp, the PHZ700 series from Panasonic, the XBR3 series from Sony and last the 5084 from Samsung.

First off all sets were set to standard settings. Nothing was adjusted to be fair. And the 2 signals were Blu Ray and DVD via HDMI, Component and even Svideo.

Obviously everyone's heard a lot regarding the increased contrast ratio and best blacks of any product I've seen since the best CRT's. In fact it's better than that. But 2 areas that impressed me just as much, if not more, were a technology Pioneer's implemented called "Smooth" panning. What this does is make sure no matter how slow or fast the camera is panning, the entire image is 100% in focus. All other models suffered from various amounts of stuttering, image blur when objects became larger on screen, and overall a shear sense of a HUGE lack in depth perception. Toy Story 2 and a couple of other clips were used to demonstrate this new feature and when you see it, you'll never want to look at another display that isn't capable of this again.

The other area is color reproduction. Checking out A Night at the Museum or Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest brought out colors I've never seen produced as well on any panel. In fact it had by far the best dithering I've ever seen. And this was all regardless of Size. Standing back a couple of feet from the PRO150FD showed absolutely zero problems.

Oh and did I mentioned that the PRO950 and 1150 destroyed every competitors 1080p panel? Yeah I did but I'll keep saying it.

The panels are expected to ship for those of us in Canada between June and September. The Standard 42 & 50 will be arriving in stores in 2 weeks. The Elite models will then arrive in mid July. All 1080p panels will ship in September. What's even more amazing here in Canada is that the Elites will only be about $400-$500 more than the standard Pioneer models. For a 3 year warranty and DNLA support why would anyone honestly by a core product.

I've ordered my own PRO110FD this morning with my booking program and for those interested in getting them asap, I'd really suggest ordering right now from your local dealer.

And hey! They'll be just in time for Halo 3 for those of us gamers.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856357
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Ενα ενδιαφερον review:

Hands on Next Generation Pioneer Panels.
Today I had a national meeting with Pioneer regarding every product that is releasing between now and September. There are plenty of exciting products including a full line of Receivers that support True HD and DTS HD. As well as using 1.3 inputs on the 92 and 94 models. Plus confirmation that the new Blu Ray players (yes both the Elite and Standard model) will have 1.3 outputs and full BD Java support.

But honestly we're here to talk about the much anticipated 8th gen, which Pioneer wants called Next Gen instead due to the fact that the only part carried over from previous panels is the chasis.

I was able to check out all 8 panels today (4 in both divisions) and not only will the public be in complete awe over the 1080p 50's and 60's but trust me when I say that even the 720p models absolutely destroy anything currently offered in a 1080p product from Sony, Panasonic, Sharp & Samsung. The reason I mention these 4 brands is they did a side by side comparison between a 92 series Sharp, the PHZ700 series from Panasonic, the XBR3 series from Sony and last the 5084 from Samsung.

First off all sets were set to standard settings. Nothing was adjusted to be fair. And the 2 signals were Blu Ray and DVD via HDMI, Component and even Svideo.

Obviously everyone's heard a lot regarding the increased contrast ratio and best blacks of any product I've seen since the best CRT's. In fact it's better than that. But 2 areas that impressed me just as much, if not more, were a technology Pioneer's implemented called "Smooth" panning. What this does is make sure no matter how slow or fast the camera is panning, the entire image is 100% in focus. All other models suffered from various amounts of stuttering, image blur when objects became larger on screen, and overall a shear sense of a HUGE lack in depth perception. Toy Story 2 and a couple of other clips were used to demonstrate this new feature and when you see it, you'll never want to look at another display that isn't capable of this again.

The other area is color reproduction. Checking out A Night at the Museum or Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest brought out colors I've never seen produced as well on any panel. In fact it had by far the best dithering I've ever seen. And this was all regardless of Size. Standing back a couple of feet from the PRO150FD showed absolutely zero problems.

Oh and did I mentioned that the PRO950 and 1150 destroyed every competitors 1080p panel? Yeah I did but I'll keep saying it.

The panels are expected to ship for those of us in Canada between June and September. The Standard 42 & 50 will be arriving in stores in 2 weeks. The Elite models will then arrive in mid July. All 1080p panels will ship in September. What's even more amazing here in Canada is that the Elites will only be about $400-$500 more than the standard Pioneer models. For a 3 year warranty and DNLA support why would anyone honestly by a core product.

I've ordered my own PRO110FD this morning with my booking program and for those interested in getting them asap, I'd really suggest ordering right now from your local dealer.

And hey! They'll be just in time for Halo 3 for those of us gamers.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856357

Πολύ τρομερά μας τα λέει ο τύπος. ρε παιδιά .. Εαν δεν εμπιστευόμουν το συγκεκριμένο φόρουμ θα έλεγα οτι είναι κατασκευασμενο άρθρο..
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Ακομα ενα ενδιαφερον review:

OK, first off, thanks to Roman@Invision for his friendly and fast service. In the door for ~75%MSRP ain't too shabby either!

An unabashed black-level fan, I have been frustrated since replacing my first HDTV, a 2001 Sony XBR CRT. Many plasmas, LCD's, DLP's,and projectors later, I have landed one of these 8G's, mostly on the strength of this forum and it's like- minded (hello Mr.Harkness) folk. Was a bit skeptical of all the hype from trade shows and such,but hopeful none the less.

Anyway, I've had it (4280)running 4 hrs. now,both in filtered daylight conditions and now some night-time viewing and it does not dissapoint. I have it side by side with a 9G Panny 58 running the same source and having been self-calibrated with AVIA.
Naturally,the PIO is just out of the box, using standard setting for now.

Where to begin?

Universal HD-DVDs open with a starry space-like sky with planet earth in foreground-I have been known to count the stars in it to measure "blackness of space". I tried to take a picture of it, but was far too blurry to publish.
Suffice it to say though, the PIO is a new high, very near to CRT level black, as I remember it.

The one picture attatched is a night scene from the opening of SAT NITE LIVE.
Hopefully, it shows relative black level to the Panny , which may be the best plasma I have had . I know taking pictures like this is a crap-shoot but someone will ask for them anyway. I tried to keep the variables to a minimum.
I can take more if requested but please be patient as I test my new toy.

As far as the sidebars approaching the blackness of the frame, this guy comes pretty close -not quite a total blending, but closer than anything since CRT.

I expect to have an HD-DVD calibration disc by tomorrow, and will try to be better dialed in soon.

First impressions:

Very smooth, almost no dithering, unlike the Panny.

Pure whites,no grey whites here.

Plenty sharp and detailed , better than the 5070 I had.

Natural motion(120hz?) beats the heck out of any LCD I have owned.

Screen a bit more reflective than I thought, Elite will probably be better.

And of course, blacks to beat all ('cept maybe the 'ole CRT)

For the entry price , I think it's a winner.

Roman: Please reserve my 6010 in the fall!
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858455
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Νομιζω οτι εχουμε ενα :firstprize: εδω παιδια!

Pioneer Reveals the 2007 Product Line-up in Canada and places their plasma in a side-by-side comparison with 4 other TVs




A couple of days ago I attended the Canadian Pioneer Product Launch held at the Soho Hotel in Toronto, where Pioneer showcased most of their 2007 product line-up that will be available from now until the end of the year. The message was very clear – Pioneer wants to be the best at what they do, period.

First, let me say that this was the by far the most exquisite venue that I have attended yet for any product launch. Throughout the morning, a number of product presentations took place in three conference rooms and a prestigious three-story penthouse suite, to the members of the media. I suppose that the idea was to present that Pioneer’s products (especially the Elite line-up) are designed in mind with a high-end lifestyle.

From a personal interest, I was particularly curious to see demos of Pioneer’s latest plasma TV generation (which Pioneer dubs project “Kuro” which stands for black in Japanese) as well as their new 1080p sets and the upcoming Blu-ray players. To my surprise, many more new products were actually unveiled including some brand new product categories for Pioneer. Pioneer’s 2007 product line-up will consist of 8 plasma TVs (Pioneer will no longer produce just monitors), 2 Blu-ray players (one Pioneer and one Pioneer Elite), 9 A/V receivers, 4 DVD players and 2 DVD recorders (160 GB/250 GB). Brand new Elite 2-channel audio components will also be available starting this month including 2 stereo receivers, a CD/SACD player and a digital all-in-one 2-channel system that comes with a pair of bookshelf speakers.

But the new Pioneer products didn’t just sit there on display. We got a first-hand demonstration of most of the new stuff. The first demonstration room contained all Pioneer components including the latest generation 60-inch 1080p plasma TV (PDP-6010FD), the new BDP-94HD Blu-ray player, the Elite VSX-84TXSi A/V Receiver (which we currently use as our reference receiver) and a 7.1-channel EX speaker system. After a couple of marketing videos, we enjoyed a couple of Tony Bennett music videos from An American Classic Blu-ray disc. Both the video and audio presentation of the system were remarkable, although I did focus my attention mainly on the video portion of the setup. The picture of the new plasma TV displayed a very noticeable improvement over the Pioneer plasma that we currently use in our test lab (a model from two generations ago). Most notable were the super deep blacks and the high contrast ratio. I could have sworn at times, the on-screen black appeared blacker than the TV’s black frame. The shadow details were also fantastic – I could see the subtlest details in the dark areas of the picture – as well as the fine details in the whites. The two music videos both contained lots of contrasting dark and light material but this did not interfere with the details at either end of the dark/light spectrum.

The second room contained a surprise that I didn’t expect to see at this event – a side-by-side comparison of the new Pioneer plasma technology (incorporated into every 2007 Pioneer model) with four other similarly sized TVs. The four contenders included two plasma TVs - the Panasonic TH-50PZ700U (released just two weeks ago) and the Samsung HP-T5054 – as well as two LCD TVs - the Sony KDL46XBR3 and the Sharp LC46D92U. With all the TV sets switched to Standard picture mode, a series of difficult to handle test scenes were shown to us, simultaneously displayed on all TVs. The test scenes allowed us to compare the black level, contrast ratio, colours, de-interlacing and picture processing between the TV sets.

During the first few scenes, the most noticeable differences between all the TVs were the black level and the colours. Not surprisingly, the black level of the two LCD TVs did not come very close to the plasma TVs. What was surprising, was the drastic difference in the black levels between the plasma TVs – the Pioneer displayed what appeared to be pure black (as black as its frame at times), the Panasonic also did a great job of displaying black (although its black appeared very dark grey next to the Pioneer) and the Samsung’s black simply appeared grey instead of black. The Panasonic was the only TV that came close to the Pioneer but the Pioneer’s superiority was clearly obvious. The same test scenes clearly showed that in part thanks to Pioneer “super” black, its overall colour reproduction was also visibly better than that of the other TVs.

Next up, were a series of tests that showed the picture processing capability and de-interlacing of each TV set. A couple of difficult to display scenes – one showing a few men’s ties and the other showing dress shirts (both with diagonal lines in them) – clearly displayed that most of the TVs in this side-by-side comparison could not display these scenes properly. Four out of the five TVs flickered the parts of the image that contained the diagonal lines. Only the Pioneer TV held a perfectly steady image.

But the next test was perhaps the most surprising. In two separate scenes, the camera panned up and down a set of stairs at different speeds. Panning scenes are generally very difficult for almost all TVs to display. Every TV produced a clearly visible jutter (a jumpy, non-smooth motion), with the exception of the Pioneer TV which produced a butter-smooth motion. Manufacturers have attempted to reduce the judder in scenes like this for a while now but I have never seen anything work this well ever before. The Pioneer didn’t just reduce the judder, it virtually eliminated it altogether! Pioneer calls this feature “Smooth” and it is incorporated into all of their 2007 plasma TV models. Outside of the Pioneer’s super deep black level and colour reproduction, this is a fantastic feature that places Pioneer’s plasma technology way ahead of the competition in my opinion.

We were initially led to believe that the Pioneer, like most of the TVs in this comparison, was a 1080p TV set. But at the very end of the demo, we found out that in fact it was Pioneer’s XGA (768p) panel that we were watching. Why did this panel appear to display as much detail and resolution as the other TVs in this test? Pioneer claims that 1080p resolution cannot be resolved by the average person when sitting further than an arm’s length away from the screen (for a 50-inch or smaller TV) – everyone of us sat much further from the TV than this and hence we couldn’t tell the difference.

By this point in the presentation, only one question came to mind – how much are these next generation Pioneer TVs going to cost?

The pricing for the new plasma line-up will be as follows: PDP-4280HD (768p, 42-inch) $2999, PDP-5080HD (768p, 50-inch) $3999, PDP-5010FD (1080p, 50-inch) $5999 and PDP-6010FD (1080p, 60-inch) $7999. Each TV will also come available in the Pioneer Elite version and will cost an additional $1000. The Elite units will feature expanded picture calibration options and a few other enhancements. All of the 2007 models can display 24fps material, will accept the 1080p signal and feature Pioneer’s exclusive Home Media Gallery.

In addition to this very informative side-by-side TV comparison, Pioneer displayed a number of other products that will be introduced before the end of this year. Some these included: 4 A/V receivers, a pair of Blu-ray players, a pair of DVD players, a brand new CD/DVD/SACD two-channel digital music system, a new Pure Audio series (which includes a CD player and two stereo receivers) as well as a new pair of floor-standing speakers (S3EX, $6000). This is certainly one of the most exciting product line-ups that we have ever seen from Pioneer. Look out for upcoming reviews of some these products in the CANADA HiFi magazine and on our website.
http://www.canadahifi.com/comments.php?id_entry=161
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Ωραια ολα αυτα αλλα και 3 χιλιαρικα για την 42" δεν ειναι πολλα?

Βεβαια οτι ειναι καλο στην ζωη αυτη κοστιζει αλλα και παλι μπορεις να παρεις μια Panasonic 42PZ700 (Full HD) και να σου μεινουν και ρεστα.
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Ωραια ολα αυτα αλλα και 3 χιλιαρικα για την 42" δεν ειναι πολλα?

Βεβαια οτι ειναι καλο στην ζωη αυτη κοστιζει αλλα και παλι μπορεις να παρεις μια Panasonic 42PZ700 (Full HD) και να σου μεινουν και ρεστα.

Γιάννη το R&D δυστυχώς κοστίζει... Εδώ βλέπουμε μια νέα σειρά τηλεοράσεων που σε πολλούς τομείς (φάινεται οτι) θέτει πλέον τον πήχη για τους υπόλοιπους : black level, panning judder elinination, contrast ratio, color reproduction...

(Δεν αναφέρω τα ήδη τετριμένα 24fps).

Τώρα επι της ουσίας και εγώ οπως έχω ξαναπεί συμφωνώ μαζί σου.. Σαν φαν της τεχνολογίας επαινώ την Pioneer (και κάθε ανάλογη προσπάθεια οποιασδήποτε εταιρείας) που με καθε νεο προιόν της δείχνει το δρόμο στην κατηγορία αυτή.

Βάβαια για να μην έχουμε αυταπάτες η Pioneer στην αρχική παρουσιαση του business model της για το 2007-08 στo audio/video segment έθεσε το στιγμα καθαρά Κορυφαία προιόντα για τον φανατικό και αφοσιωμένο σινεφιλ (που έχει και θέλει να πληρώσει). Ολη η φετινή της καμπάνια είναι οργανωμένη πισω απο το μοτο αυτό (Plasma TVs/ Blue Ray / Home cinema) Φαντάζομαι οτι ποντάρει στην Αμερικάνικη αγορά όπου υπάρχει αρκετά ισχυρή πελατειακή βάση που πληρεί τα κριτήρια αυτά και σε κάποιες χώρες στην Ευρώπη.

Θα την αγόραζα ? Εαν είχα αρκετά χρήματα για ξοδεμα ΝΑΙ
Επειδή όμως δεν εχω η απάντηση μου στις 14-06-2007 είναι είτε η Panasonic PX-70 είτε η D3000 εαν θέλω LCD
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

H Pioneer διαλεγει το δρομο top quality=top price και καλα κανει.
Ισως σαν μεγεθος να μην μπορει να τα βαλει με τις υπερδυναμεις του χωρου (πλασμα) οπως η Panasonic , η Samsung και η LG οποτε διαλεγει τον μοναχικο και δυσκολο δρομο του Hi End.

Παραδεχομαι την κορυφαια εικονα και την αναγνωριζω αλλα μαλλον ειναι εκτος των οριων του μεσου καταναλωτη και αυτο ειναι κριμα (για τον καταναλωτη οχι για την Pioneer).
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Ωραια ολα αυτα αλλα και 3 χιλιαρικα για την 42" δεν ειναι πολλα?

Βεβαια οτι ειναι καλο στην ζωη αυτη κοστιζει αλλα και παλι μπορεις να παρεις μια Panasonic 42PZ700 (Full HD) και να σου μεινουν και ρεστα.

Τωρα Γιαννη δημιουργουνται νεα ερωτηματα:

Αν ολα αυτα που διαβαζουμε ειναι αληθεια τοτε τα δεδομενα αλλαζουν, ποιος ο λογος να πιασουμε Full HD αφου η 768p Pioneer σε ολους τους τομεις ειναι καλυτερη απο οποιαδηποτε 1080p LCD or PLASMA?
Η τιμη των 768p Pioneer φαινεται θα ειναι η ιδια περιπου με τις 1080p Panasonic. Εσυ ποια θα προτιμουσες?







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Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Τωρα Γιαννη δημιουργουνται νεα ερωτηματα:

Αν ολα αυτα που διαβαζουμε ειναι αληθεια τοτε τα δεδομενα αλλαζουν, ποιος ο λογος να πιασουμε Full HD αφου η 768p Pioneer σε ολους τους τομεις ειναι καλυτερη απο οποιαδηποτε 1080p LCD or PLASMA?
Η τιμη των 768p Pioneer φαινεται θα ειναι η ιδια περιπου με τις 1080p Panasonic. Εσυ ποια θα προτιμουσες?

Εγω θα αγοραζα μια Panny 42PX70 για τηλεοπτικο σημα και μια Samsung 40M86BD για Blu Ray-HD DVD και ΧΒΟΧ 360 με τα ιδια λεφτα που εχει μια 428ΧD και θα ημουν αρχοντας.-bye-
Οπως και να το κανουμε αλλο μια τηλεοραση και αλλο δυο (και μαλιστα κορυφαιες για αυτο που θα τις χρησιμοποιουσα).
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Βρήκα αυτό , τι λέτε αξίζει? Pioneer 427xd 1572 euro!!!

Η παραγγελία από αυτό το site www.getitfast.de

Warenkorb
Artikel Menge Preis Gesamtpreis Aktion
Pioneer PDP-427XD 1.505,00 1.505,00
Versandkosten Nachnahme_DE Nachnahme_DE_Palette Vorkasse_DE Vorkasse_DE_Palette Vorkasse_EU1_Palette Vorkasse_EU2_Palette Zone_1_Vorkasse Zone_2_Vorkasse Zone_3_Vorkasse Zone_4_Vorkasse Zone_5_Vorkasse 67,00
Summe 1.572,00
Enthaltene MwSt. 250,99




Versandkosten (Shipping Costs)



Vorkasse_DE 6,50

Nachnahme_DE 13,99

Vorkasse Zone_1 (A,B,DK,L,NL) 16,00

Vorkasse Zone_2 (CH,F,I,GB) 25,00

Vorkasse Zone_3 (CZ,FIN,IRL,S,H,PL,SK,SLO,N,P,E) 29,00

Vorkasse Zone_4 (EE,LT,LV) 38,00

Vorkasse Zone_5 (GR, TR) 67,00
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Εγω θα αγοραζα μια Panny 42PX70 για τηλεοπτικο σημα και μια Samsung 40M86BD για Blu Ray-HD DVD και ΧΒΟΧ 360 με τα ιδια λεφτα που εχει μια 428ΧD και θα ημουν αρχοντας.-bye-
Οπως και να το κανουμε αλλο μια τηλεοραση και αλλο δυο (και μαλιστα κορυφαιες για αυτο που θα τις χρησιμοποιουσα).

Λογικο:cool:
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Πρωτη κριτικη της 508XD απο το Home Cinema choice:

"Take, for instance, the opening space battle of Star Wars: The Revenge of the Sith recorded in HD from Sky. The space backdrop to the action has never – repeat, never – looked more convincingly, cinematically, amazingly black than it does on the 508XD. Even Panasonic’s best efforts can’t match it. And there really is no overstating just what a dramatic impact this has on the scale, dynamism and sheer authenticity of the picture you’re watching."

http://blog.homecinemachoice.com/page/homecinemachoice?entry=pioneer_pdp_508xd_web_exclusive
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Moνο τοσο? Θα παρω δυο-τρεις , μια για καθε δωματιο...:flipout:

Χωρις πλακα τωρα , η 427ΧD οταν βγηκε ειχε παραπανω , γυρω στα 3 χιλιαρικα. Οποτε δεν ειναι ασχημες οι τιμες.
 
Re: Incoming: 8th-gen Pioneer plasma TV

Στο avforums το θέμα της 8ης γενιάς ξεκίνησε 29 ιουνίου και σήμερα έχει φτάσει τα 1900 post!!!!!