Περί στούντιο και εξοπλισμού ηχογραφήσεων...

Timbre

Senior Member
13 September 2007
513
Δεν θα επρεπε ομως???

Διάβασε αυτό, ελπίζω να σου δώσει απάντηση.
Αν και επικεντρώνεται στα ηχεία η "άποψη" του πράγματος αφορά όλα τα μηχανήματα ήχου (το αναφέρει πριν).

"Professional recording studios seldom use high-end audio gear for mixing and monitoring recording sessions. Instead, studios use players, amplifiers, signal processors, and speakers that are built to very high standards. These speakers are referred to as studio monitors and are specially crafted to produce very accurate sound, reflecting exactly what is on the recording. Most high-end speakers will tend to add color or tone shaping the music so that it sounds "better". For this reason studio monitors must be used to ensure that changes being made to the audio are accurately represented to the engineer."


Πηγή: wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-end_audio


Υ.Γ.
Σε πόσα θέματα πρέπει να βάλω αυτό το λινκ ? :lollypop:
 
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Καλά όλα αυτά, αλλά μιλάμε για τη wikipedia, στην οποία κάνω edit κι εγώ, που λέει ο λόγος.

Είναι το λιγότερο αστείο να μην αναφέρονται καν εταιρείες όπως η ATC και η B&W...
 
Απάντηση: Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Καλά όλα αυτά, αλλά μιλάμε για τη wikipedia, στην οποία κάνω edit κι εγώ, που λέει ο λόγος.

Είναι το λιγότερο αστείο να μην αναφέρονται καν εταιρείες όπως η ATC και η B&W...
Έτσι είναι αλλά θα βρεις πολλούς να συμφωνούν με αυτό.
Ζήτησε μόνο να σου πουν διαφορές "μονιτορίλας" και Hi-End και θα δεις...

Και για να μην είμαστε Off Topic μπορεί να συμπεριληφθεί και ένα καλό studiακο cdp στην παρέα, να δούμε.
 
Απάντηση: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Δεν ισχυει αυτο. Πολλα studio εχουν B&W, atc, vERITY, Ηλεκτροστατικα, Von Schweikert κτλ.

Κανας πικραμενος θα το εγραψε στο wikipedia.

Κορνες δεν εχει κανενα παντως. Αυτο ειναι το μονο σιγουρο.

Anyway παλι ειμαστε εκτος θεματος.
 
Re: Απάντηση: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Δεν ισχυει αυτο. Πολλα studio εχουν B&W, atc, vERITY, Ηλεκτροστατικα, Von Schweikert κτλ.

Κανας πικραμενος θα το εγραψε στο wikipedia.

Κορνες δεν εχει κανενα παντως. Αυτο ειναι το μονο σιγουρο.

Anyway παλι ειμαστε εκτος θεματος.
Μιχαλιό μην κρίνεις από τι έχουν τα στούντιο .. και τηλεοπτικά και audio στούντιο , γιατι θα βάλεις τα γέλια:flipout:
15 χρονάκια ως δεύτερη απασχόληση σαν τεχνικού έχω δει πολλά !!! καραγκιοζιλίκια , μεχρι και βιντεοκλίπ με το audio υλικό παρμένο από κασέτα :grinning-smiley-043:violent-smiley-030:
 
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Pali adiabastos mikre
ta poio polypoulnmeva studio monitors stnv dekaetia tou 70 ntav Altec coaxial 604, Urei ta opoia ntav basismeva kai se korves.Pngn/Billboard
O Marcus pavtws 8elei va kavei eva systnma fullsizehorn sto kaivourgio spiti pou xtizei ektos polews!(auto meta apo to tapeivo systnma pou akouse se emeva)
 
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

σωστά την δεκαετία του 70 ήταν μονόδρομος και η τότε ερτ μονοδρομα είχε μεχρι το 84 τουλάχιστον που έκανα εκπαίδευση σε στούντιο με την σχολή
 
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Ναι καλέ, τί νομίζετε... Άμα μπείτε σε κανένα στούντιο, θα είναι ο τόπος γεμάτος από Verity και Φον τάδε, μέχρι εκεί που φτάνει το μάτι σας. Πολλή πίκρα το στούντιο ρε παιδί μου, κι άμα πεις από χρειές, σκ..τά... Μπλου σκάι και βγάλε...
 
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

studio pou va exei eva nxeio sav monitor kai to nxeio auto va exei eva apo ta megawva tou avapoda kai se teleiws la8os mnxavikn fasn ev sxesei me ta ypoloipa megafwva akoma dev exw dei, alla fysika eimai asxetos apo studio.
 
Απάντηση: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Τα cdακια της Chesky γραφτηκανε με τα ηχεια μου.

Δεν θα στο ξαναπω, ανοιξε ενα αλλο θεμα. Το εχουμε κανει σαλατα.

Παρακαλω τη διαχειριση να επιληφθει του θεματος.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

γιατί βρε παιδιά εδώ δώσανε μικρόφωνο στον Κουρκούλη, τον Μαρτάκη και ένα σωρό ξε@@@@@@ρες τραγουδίστριες, τι να σου κάνουν τα stuios μετά?

σόρρυ για το οφτοπικ!
 
Re: Απάντηση: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

Τα cdακια της Chesky που ακους απο τους περιστερωνες σου γραφτηκανε με τα ηχεια μου.

Δεν θα στο ξαναπω, ανοιξε ενα αλλο θεμα. Το εχουμε κανει σαλατα.

Παρακαλω τη διαχειριση να επιληφθει του θεματος.

Η Σουηδική Opus3 τι ηχεία χρησιμοποιεί? ξέρει κανείς?
 
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

στο studio τι χρησιμοποιεί ξέρεις? ´

μόνο αυτά βρήκα

Opus3 Philosophy
Discussions of sound nowadays tend to be very much preoccupied with the digital links of the sound reproduction chain, especially where gramophone recordings are concerned. Attention very often focuses exclusively on the type
of A/D converter used, how many bits, the amount of oversampling, how the equipment is specially modified, and so on and so forth.

When Opus 3 started at the end of 1976, there was far more talk about the way in which the actual recording was done purely in terms of recording technique or philosophy - that is, the methodology employed (multi- mike versus twin microphone technique etc.) and the type of recording situation chosen - natural environments or traditional studio technique, and so on.

Whatever the technical apparatus, it is still the actual, recording philosophy that does most to decide what a recording will sound like - a fact which has been virtually lost sight of in the discussion of sound today. The quantity of electronics used in a recording is also highly important. In the type of mixer consoles commonly used in a studio nowadays, the acoustic signal passes through a very large number of amplifier stages - between thirty and forty or more is not unusual! The Opus 3 electronics, which are mainly tube-equipped and which we have partly developed ourselves, seldom include more than three of four amplifier stages between microphone and storage medium.

Opus 3's recording technique has been specially developed for acoustic music and is based on using the natural acoustics of authentic environments such as churches, concert halls, jazz clubs and so on. We match the venue to the music, so to speak, as opposed to the common studio practice of adding an artificial reverberation afterwards and so on. The positioning of the microphone in the recording room and the positioning of the musicians in relation to the microphone are also extremely important.

From the very outset we have used what is known as the coincident or X/Y recording technique, mainly employing the special configuration of crossed figure of eights, also known as the Blumlein technique, after Alan Dower Blumlein, the British radar engineer who developed the technique way back in 1934.

Depth of Image

So accustomed are we to three-dimensional vision, that we never really think about it. But we need only shut one eye for our judgment of distances to be reduced and our three-dimensional vision to disappear: we need both eyes and the relation between them in order for see three-dimensionally. Much the same is true of our hearing.

Our brain and auditory system "process" the sound-waves reaching each ear, with regard to level, direction, time and frequency content. The signal is further "analyzed" by our brain and auditory system, and the differences between signals coming from our two ears tell us, for example, about distance to the different sound sources and their relative positions. We experience "Depth of Image": for example, the different instruments of the orchestra in a concert hall are differently placed, not only from left to right but also in depth, together with the size and acoustics of the concert hall.


By "collecting" the total sound at one single point with a stereo microphone -that is, a microphone with its capsules as close together as possible -we obtain a strict relation between the direct sound and the reflected sound (the diffused sound field), and this gives our brain and auditory system important information for building up an illusion of "reality" - the concert hall, the church or the jazz club. It is also very important for the direct and the reflected sound to have an exact acoustic connection with the sound-waves from each instrument. In traditional recording studios, there is, basically, one microphone (or sometimes even more) per instrument, and these are then mixed together electrically. This is not real stereo, it is just panned mono.

Since, moreover, the microphones are usually placed veryclose to each instrument in an acoustically dead studio, all one gets is the direct sound of the instrument, and so artificial reverberation has to be "added on" electrically afterwards.

Timbre

By timbre we mean the specific character of an acoustic musical instrument - meaning, for example, what makes it possible for us to tell one instrument from another. The timbre of a musical instrument is a combination of its significant spectral distribution, i.e. the relation between notes and their harmonics and each relative level and frequency distribution, and last but not least, the way in which the sound-waves radiate from the body of the instrument.

All our acoustic instruments are designed to be played in some form of concert hall, i.e. in a place where you hear both the direct sound of the instrument and the reverberation of the environment. If, like Opus 3, you are aiming for as natural an instrumental timbre as possible, it is vitally important that acoustic instruments can also be recorded in the type of surroundings they were originally designed to be played in, but also with longer microphone distances, so as also to capture the sound radiating from the whole sounding body of the instrument. The short microphone distances normally used also make the timbre unnatural, and so it has to be "restored" artificially, using various equalizers etc. We mustn't forget that when our acoustic musical instruments were created, a long time ago, neither electricity, microphones or recording studios existed !

Dynamics

The dynamic range of a musical instrument is the difference between the loudest and the softest sound level it is capable of producing. Like timbre, the dynamics of a musical instrument depend, not only on how it is built but also on how it is used by the composer and performer. Dynamics in this sense are used to create a large number and variety of musical effects, changes of emotion, mood and expression etc., etc. The dynamic properties of a musical instrument are also very much affected by the way in which it is recorded. The short microphone distances used for multi-microphone recording in traditional studios also exaggerate the recorded dynamics. Just like timbre, the dynamic balance then has to be artificially "restored", using compressors, limiters and so on.
 
Last edited:
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

dev 3erw alla n Opus 3 kavei kai eva grammofwvo kai eva nxeio diko tns, korva/TL typou, egw dev to exw dei oute se fwtografia. Dev 3erw pws akougetai. O filos mou me to fullsizehorn tov gvwrizei tov gerovta. Apo to diko tou systnma empveustnke, alla logw xwrou to ekave akoma kalytero(stereo bashorn avti mono)
Amfibalw oti dev akouei tnv nxografisn kai sto spiti tou priv bgei stov disko!
 
Re: Top CD Players Blind Shoot-out

αν χρησιμοποιούσε akg θα με συγκινούσε περισσότερο...