Zidoo X9S (4K,HDR,3D,Blu ray Menu,HD Audio)
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Αγαπητοί φίλοι και φίλες,
Σας προσκαλούμε να γιορτάσουμε μαζί τα 20α γενέθλια του AVclub.
Το Σάββατο 10 Οκτωβρίου, από τις 18:00 θα πραγματοποιήσουμε το πάρτι των γενεθλίων του φόρουμ μας στο Peñarrubia Lounge.
Δηλώστε τη συμμετοχή σας εδώ, θα χαρούμε πολύ να σας δούμε από κοντά.
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
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ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
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ρε συ...για stream μιλας τοση ωρα...?
εννοειται ΜΟΝΟ απο Kodi.
δεν εχει καμια σχεση το Mediacenter της zidoo με τα addons του Kodi..
εννοειται ΜΟΝΟ απο Kodi.
δεν εχει καμια σχεση το Mediacenter της zidoo με τα addons του Kodi..
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Angelos_A
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- 24 February 2014
- 65
Δηλαδή ρε συ πες μου λίγο να καταλάβω. Οκ στριμάρισμα με Κόντι. Με τον zidoo player λοιπόν τι μπορω να παίξω; αρχεία που έχω σε ένα σκληρό πχ; γιατί ταινίες που πέρασα στο zdmc άλλες τις ανοίγει με τον zidoo και άλλες με τον kodi. Εξαρτάται από τον τύπο του αρχείου;
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ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
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Αν μπορεί ο player της zidoo να παίξει streams, πιθανόν να γίνεται να τα ανοίγει μέσω kodi/zdmc με τροποποίηση του playercorefactory.xml.
http://kodi.wiki/view/External_players
http://kodi.wiki/view/External_players
leonkoum
Supreme Member
- 20 December 2008
- 5,305
Ενας μικρος οδηγος για τις νεες ρυθμισεις απο το μελος που ξεκινησε ολη την 'φασαρια'.
Συμπερασμα ενα ..
Πειραματισμος
"To all the people asking what would be the "best" setting to choose for your TV and then naming the model:
The correct one.
Probably auto. At least after the next firmware..
So here is the full explanation.
Regarding Color bit rate (10bit, 12bit, ...) higher is better, if your TV supports it (but not if it doesnt ), and the transcoding in the X9S is correct. It may be the single hardest thing to tell (for a couple of reasons you dont want to know.. ). Higher bit levels are mostly a "thing" for 4K HDR content. Leave it on auto. (Strong recommendation.)
Signal level (YCbCr 4:2:2, YCbCr 4:4:4 and RGB 4:4:4): It depends. Almost all video content is encoded in YCbCr 4:2:0 . Both 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 are "better" (more chroma information in the signal), but since most movies are encoded in 4:2:0 it mostly doesnt even matter. In principal 4:4:4 is better, but it actually depends on the "signal space" your TV "thinks in(/displays it to the display in)". So sometimes YCbCr 4:4:4 can be less accurate, because some TVs only downconvert it to 4:2:2 to be able to display it. The safe bet here is YCbCr 4:2:2.
RGB 4:4:4 mainly is used for displays that are primarily computer screens and were produced a few years ago, because nowadays almost everything supports both YCbCr and RGB.
Color range (auto, limited (16-235), full (0-255)): It depends. The correct setting for most TVs is limited. The correct setting for most PC monitors is full. Some current TVs even have a setting that might auto adjust for it - but if you want to be sure - take the AVS HD 709 Contrast/Black level test pattern (download for free from http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html ) and check it yourself. The aim here is to get the black level close to correct (as dark as possible, without sacrificing too much near black detail).
Also some monitors/TVs might not support YCbCr full modes. If you find out that you need full in those cases, and the only way to "get it" is to switch to RGB full, switch to RGB full. (The reason why we would like to stick to a YCbCr mode is, that almost all video content is encoded in YCbCr and we want as few color level conversions as possible (normaly they arent "lossy", but still...)).
The full/limitede switch actually shifts the black level by 16 stops ("levels"), which is a huge difference, and you have to find out which one is correct for your TV(/TV Setting). The reason is, that essentially all movies (up to and including 1080p) only use a limited signal range (16-235), but some TVs and mostly monitors could also expect full signal range (0-255) in which case you would have to switch the setting (either on the X9S, or on the TV/Monitor (not always possible there)).
Its most easy to "spot" which one is expected by looking at black (the contrast/black level test pattern in the pattern collection linked to above).
The correct setting in most cases would be limited, but I cant tell you for each and every monitor/TV, so you have to use the test pattern and check for yourself.
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There is also also whiter than white which is information in the encode at 236 and above - which isnt "standard" but sometimes is there. If you want to optimize for that (and some people tell you you should), you'd have to put both the X9S and your TV/monitor in a full (0-255) mode.
There would also be the option for Zidoo to integrate a "Superwhite" toggle (16-255) so you could leave the signal at YCbCr limited, (16-), but also enjoy the "whiter than white" parts of the signal (-255).
This would actually be the best of both worlds - but Zidoo hasnt implemented it yet.
Using a full signal range instead (0-255) means that most content (movies) go through one or more color space conversions until the signal gets displayed - which isnt optimal, but here we are talking serious nitpicking..
-
So full/limited mostly depends on your monitor/TV('s settings). To find out you have to use a test pattern (or a meter device).
--
Also ZDMCs Kodi Player (named DVDPlayer, although it has nothing to do with DVDs) in the current builds finally supports auto framerate switching (if enabled in the Kodi settings), so use ZDMC as often as possible."
Συμπερασμα ενα ..
Πειραματισμος
"To all the people asking what would be the "best" setting to choose for your TV and then naming the model:
The correct one.
Probably auto. At least after the next firmware..
So here is the full explanation.
Regarding Color bit rate (10bit, 12bit, ...) higher is better, if your TV supports it (but not if it doesnt
), and the transcoding in the X9S is correct. It may be the single hardest thing to tell (for a couple of reasons you dont want to know.. ). Higher bit levels are mostly a "thing" for 4K HDR content. Leave it on auto. (Strong recommendation.)Signal level (YCbCr 4:2:2, YCbCr 4:4:4 and RGB 4:4:4): It depends.
Almost all video content is encoded in YCbCr 4:2:0 . Both 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 are "better" (more chroma information in the signal), but since most movies are encoded in 4:2:0 it mostly doesnt even matter. In principal 4:4:4 is better, but it actually depends on the "signal space" your TV "thinks in(/displays it to the display in)". So sometimes YCbCr 4:4:4 can be less accurate, because some TVs only downconvert it to 4:2:2 to be able to display it. The safe bet here is YCbCr 4:2:2.RGB 4:4:4 mainly is used for displays that are primarily computer screens and were produced a few years ago, because nowadays almost everything supports both YCbCr and RGB.
Color range (auto, limited (16-235), full (0-255)): It depends.
The correct setting for most TVs is limited. The correct setting for most PC monitors is full. Some current TVs even have a setting that might auto adjust for it - but if you want to be sure - take the AVS HD 709 Contrast/Black level test pattern (download for free from http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html ) and check it yourself. The aim here is to get the black level close to correct (as dark as possible, without sacrificing too much near black detail).Also some monitors/TVs might not support YCbCr full modes. If you find out that you need full in those cases, and the only way to "get it" is to switch to RGB full, switch to RGB full. (The reason why we would like to stick to a YCbCr mode is, that almost all video content is encoded in YCbCr and we want as few color level conversions as possible (normaly they arent "lossy", but still...)).
The full/limitede switch actually shifts the black level by 16 stops ("levels"), which is a huge difference, and you have to find out which one is correct for your TV(/TV Setting). The reason is, that essentially all movies (up to and including 1080p) only use a limited signal range (16-235), but some TVs and mostly monitors could also expect full signal range (0-255) in which case you would have to switch the setting (either on the X9S, or on the TV/Monitor (not always possible there)).
Its most easy to "spot" which one is expected by looking at black (the contrast/black level test pattern in the pattern collection linked to above).
The correct setting in most cases would be limited, but I cant tell you for each and every monitor/TV, so you have to use the test pattern and check for yourself.
-
There is also also whiter than white which is information in the encode at 236 and above - which isnt "standard" but sometimes is there. If you want to optimize for that (and some people tell you you should), you'd have to put both the X9S and your TV/monitor in a full (0-255) mode.
There would also be the option for Zidoo to integrate a "Superwhite" toggle (16-255) so you could leave the signal at YCbCr limited, (16-), but also enjoy the "whiter than white" parts of the signal (-255).
This would actually be the best of both worlds - but Zidoo hasnt implemented it yet.
Using a full signal range instead (0-255) means that most content (movies) go through one or more color space conversions until the signal gets displayed - which isnt optimal, but here we are talking serious nitpicking..
-
So full/limited mostly depends on your monitor/TV('s settings). To find out you have to use a test pattern (or a meter device).
--
Also ZDMCs Kodi Player (named DVDPlayer, although it has nothing to do with DVDs) in the current builds finally supports auto framerate switching (if enabled in the Kodi settings), so use ZDMC as often as possible.
"
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Re: Απάντηση: Re: Zidoo X9S (4K,HDR,3D,Blu ray Menu,HD Audio)
Πιο ήρεμο τον βλέπω τώρα.
Πιο ήρεμο τον βλέπω τώρα.
Εννοείται.
Δυστυχώς στο συγκεκριμένο θέμα δεν υπάρχει one-fits-all ρύθμιση.
Εξαρτάται τι υποστηρίζει το προβολικό, αν όντως κάνει το αναμενόμενο από αυτό που λέει, αν παρεμβάλλεται άλλη συσκευή (avr πχ) και τι υποστηρίζει και αυτή, αν έχουν σωστό handshake, αν έχει σωστό encoding το υλικό μας...
Για τα βασικά (contrast/brightness/sharpness/scaling) υπάρχουν τα πολύ καλά πατερνάκια του avs (η mp4 έκδοση).
Τα υπόλοιπα δεν ρυθμίζονται/ελέγχονται με το μάτι.
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ.Π
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το ειχα καρφωσει στο 3840χ2160/60.
το εκλεισα(Standby)το ανοιξα παλι και ειχε γυρισει στα 1080p..
το εκλεισα(Standby)το ανοιξα παλι και ειχε γυρισει στα 1080p..
Και σε τοπικά. Οτιδήποτε είναι στα 23,976 fps κάνει skip frames όταν είναι ενεργοποιημένο το passthrough και το "Sync playback to display" απενεργοποιημένο. Αν κάποιος δεν έχει πολυκάναλο setup, απλά ενεργοποιεί το "Sync playback to display" (η συγκεκριμένη επιλογή "σκοτώνει" το passthrough).