- LG TV Line-up 2010 -

Mάλλον θα εννοείς την φωτεινότητα χρώματος, γιατί ο κορεσμός είναι το ένα από τα δύο πράγματα που βλέπουμε σε ένα χρωματικό διάγραμμα... :p -bye-

Δηλαδη να υποθεσω οτι αυτο που διαβαζω δεν ειναι σωστο?

Color Saturation - color saturation measures the accuracy of the colors on screen based on the present of gray shades, higher gray shades results into lower saturation. Plasma TVs are famous for their high color saturation due to the method it emits light. The ability of Plasma pixels to be turned off when they are not in use prevents the emission of stray light that diffuses color. This is why tints and hues in Plasma TV are noticeably more vivid and vibrant.

http://www.qualityplasmatelevision.com/What-Is-The-Difference-Between-LCD-And-Plasma-TV.html
 
Ναι, άλλα το ΔΕ μετράει και την φωτεινότητα (ή λαμπρότητα; - το L) (όπως έμαθα και εγώ πρόσφατα :flipout:)...

Το ΔΕ όμως δεν το βλέπεις στο χρωματικό διάγραμμα, αλλά στο διάγραμμα της κλίμακας του γκρι... :p

Δηλαδη να υποθεσω οτι αυτο που διαβαζω δεν ειναι σωστο?

Color Saturation - color saturation measures the accuracy of the colors on screen based on the present of gray shades, higher gray shades results into lower saturation. Plasma TVs are famous for their high color saturation due to the method it emits light. The ability of Plasma pixels to be turned off when they are not in use prevents the emission of stray light that diffuses color. This is why tints and hues in Plasma TV are noticeably more vivid and vibrant.

http://www.qualityplasmatelevision.com/What-Is-The-Difference-Between-LCD-And-Plasma-TV.html

Δεν βλέπω να γράφει κάτι σχετικά με κορεσμό που δεν φαίνεται στα διαγράμματα, Γιάννη...

Εδώ, ο Γιώργος είχε ξεκινήσει ένα πολύ περιεκτικό και καλογραμμένο αρθράκι για το τί διαβάζουμε στα διάφορα διαγράμματα. Για περισσότερες λεπτομέρειες, ο κατεξοχήν ειδικός περί του θέματος στην παρέα μας, είναι ο Μανώλης... :grinning-smiley-043
 
Το ΔΕ όμως δεν το βλέπεις στο χρωματικό διάγραμμα, αλλά στο διάγραμμα της κλίμακας του γκρι... :p

Το ΔΕ είναι απλά μια εξίσωση, που μετρά την "διαφορά" μεταξύ 2 χρωμάτων.
Σκοπός της είναι να μας δώσει "ένα νούμερο" "αντιπροσωπευτικό" της διαφοράς 2 χρωμάτων - ένα μετασχηματισμό από τον τρισδιάστατο χώρο σε μονοδιάστατο (το οποίο εισάγει μια προσέγγιση από μόνο του...).

Μπορεί να εφαρμοστεί για οποιοδήποτε χρώμα, και δεν έχει να κάνει με το grayscale ή κάποια συγκεκριμένη μέτρηση. Για ένα συγκεκριμένο χρώμα, μπορούμε να έχουμε το ΔΕ από το "πρότυπό" του. Κάποια προγράμματα το μετρούν αυτό το ΔΕ στα πρωτεύοντα και δευτερεύοντα χρώματα του CIE τριγώνου (π.χ. το calman που το βλέπουμε αποκλειστικό στο avforums ή το avsforum - τα μπερδεύω - αυτό που κάνει τις δοκιμές... :flipout:)

Για αυτό σε εκείνα τα reviews βλέπουμε πολλά ΔΕ (σε όλα τα χρώματα), όπως και στα reviews του flatpanelshd (που το πρόγραμμα του μου θυμίζει το IMatch, που δεν κάνει ακριβώς αυτή την δουλειά...)

Σας βρήκα και την εξίσωση:
http://www.colorpro.com/info/data/cie94.html (για όποιον ενδιαφέρεται...)
 
Δε διαφωνώ, αλλά από το χρωματικό διάγραμμα, θα πάρεις ΔΕ μόνο για τα 100IRE, το οποίο δε μας λέει και πολλά γι' αυτό συνήθως μας το δίνουν ως μέσο όρο ΔΕ ή min/max που παίρνουμε από το διάγραμμα κλίμακας του γκρι... ;)
 
Recently I had the opportunity to calibrate and evaluate the new LG 50PK550 plasma at Cleveland Plasma.

The PK550 is very slim, and that combined with the narrow border give it a sleek, modern appearance. The screen, though highly reflective, seemed to stay fairly dark under high lighting conditions.

Though the PK550 lacks the THX mode of some of LG’s other models, the ISF Expert modes offer a good mode to build upon. There are two ISF picture memories available, and they can be tuned to have a separate day and night mode for each input. In addition, they can be locked if you decide to get the unit professionally calibrated and want to make sure nobody makes unwelcome changes to your settings. Even before calibration (attachment 1), the results in ISF mode were closer to accurate than I normally see. However, the negative red in the absolute luminance graph and skewed magenta seen on the CIE graph suggests the uncalibrated ISF preset will have a similar color tone to the THX modes of early production Panasonic V10 and G10 plasmas, before their THX mode was fixed. These measured errors lead to a yellowish “antique” cast and can rob skin tones of their natural color and ruddiness. The PK550 often automatically dims the black level when it senses a few seconds of no picture content.

Fortunately, the PK550 has one of the best, most extensive advanced calibration menus available. Some of the nice touches include color isolation controls, which allow more accurate color adjustments than the filters included with test DVDs, a partial CMS adjustment, and the choice of either a conventional 2 point or a 20 point white balance and gamma adjustment.

The 20 point adjustment is very detailed, but is extremely difficult even for a seasoned calibrator to work with. For instance, the brightness of the menu changes the reading slightly, and some pattern generators and test DVDs do not have the required 5% small window patterns. Also, the PK550’s non defeatable burn in protection dims the output if the image size stays the same for too long (no matter if the pattern’s brightness is changed), meaning you must change the size of the test pattern frequently and then go back to the windows you are working with. Though I was thankful to have it, the 20 point adjustment is a great example of too much of a good thing.

After much more work than required on an average plasma, the results were outstanding! The PK550’s CMS adjustment, even though it was not as thorough as that on some other brands, allowed the colors to be extremely accurate. The higher measured error of the blue primary is not subjectively important in my experience. Light output with a small 100% white window measured 50 fL, and the pre-dimmed black level measured around .0132 fL. ASI contrast measured a very good 2000:1. Contrast measurements were performed with my profiled Milori Trichromat-1 meter, which is very stable and consistent with dark measurements. The light output and contrast measurements are both significantly improved over those of the LG 60PS60 plasma I reviewed last year, and mean the PK550’s picture should have excellent pop and impact. The PK550 handles RGB or YCbCr colorspace properly via the HDMI input, and resolution is strong or perfect at all HD resolutions. I could find no pumping or stability problems.

After calibration, I turned off the lights and put in some very familiar 1080P/24 Blu Ray demo material. The first scene I looked at was the DVE HD basics test disc restaurant scene. I noticed right away that the pans were handled very well; they were noticeably smoother than on most other plasmas, with no judder, but not to the point of the dreaded “soap opera” look that plagues many LCDs. The panning and motion reminded me of the 96Hz mode on a Panasonic V10, which is a strong compliment. As the carrots and food appeared, I couldn’t help but notice the colors; simultaneous vibrancy and naturalness is a rare combination, but the PK550 pulled it off in abundance. Shadow detail was superb; dark images were not washed out, but neither were dark images sunk down into a black blob. Thanks to the long hours spent fine tuning the 20 point adjustment, very dark images were properly neutral in color tone and were shown in the perfect balance between being easy to see and being dark/contrasty. The image had a strong sense of depth and dimensionality. The flesh tones were surprisingly rich but also quite natural; people didn’t look sickly or too sunburnt. I expected very good pop and vibrancy due to the good measured light output, contrast, and gamma; and the PK550 even exceeded my high expectations in that regard by a bit. While still behind that of the best local dimming LCDs or the discontinued Pioneer Elite Kuros, I can’t imagine the PK550 disappointing any level headed videophile in that regard.

There was a Panasonic 50G25 I had just calibrated sitting right next to the PK550. I just couldn’t let the opportunity for a comparison slip by.

The thing that jumped out at me first is that the PK550 picks up much more glare than the G25. The G25 is probably the best plasma I have ever seen in that regard. With both sets turned off, the PK550’s screen might have been a tiny bit darker with the lights on; but the reflections were much more distracting. The slim PK550 seems to run hotter than the thicker G25, which seems to produce surprisingly little heat. With both sets on but with a black 0% input, the G25 subjectively has slightly darker blacks, and it’s blacks were more neutral in color than the PK550’s slightly greenish glow. The PK550 seemed to be more susceptible to image retention than the G25.

The PK550 has much smoother pans; the G25’s 48Hz mode has too much flicker in my opinion, so I never use it. That gave the PK550 the advantage in handling 1080P/24 Blu Ray motion. The PK550 had bolder colors than the G25, and had a harder edged look with more pop. The G25 looked less contrasty and a bit on the washed out side of neutral in comparison. The G25 had more visible shadow detail, but it was a bit too visible to be truly accurate. The G25 had a slightly greener tinge and paler look to fleshtones. If you are the type of videophile who routinely turns down the color saturation to make various sources more palatable, then the G25’s presentation would appeal more to you. On the other hand, lovers of rich and vibrant color tones would be more attracted to the PK550’s picture.

Because of the G25’s highly visible shadow detail, slightly higher light output capability, and superb resistance to reflections, I feel it would be an excellent choice for a brighter room. However, the PK550 has a more exciting and accurate image and would be a superb choice for a more light controlled environment.

While making this comparison, I was struck (and a little dismayed) by how much my impressions paralleled what I saw when I compared the Panasonic G25 to the Panasonic S2, but in this case the G25’s role was reversed because of the characteristics of the set it was compared to.

I am very impressed with the overall accuracy and superb picture quality of the PK550. It shows a significant step up in performance from last year’s PS60, and in my opinion it even merits a good portion of the giant-slayer status that I give LG’s bang for the buck leading LH90.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1235720&page=3
 
Όταν λέω εγώ ότι χρειαζόμαστε ένα αυτόματο καλιμπραριστήρι...
Άκου να έχει τόσες πολλές ρυθμίσεις που να μην μπορεί να το χειριστεί ο reviewer... :flipout:
 
Παιδεύτηκε ώρες ο άνθρωπος αλλα τελικά την "έφερε" :award:

Μια χαρά επιλογή φαίνεται
Αυτο το Image Retention να μην είχε ...
Αντε να τις δούμε και απο κοντά να κρίνουμε.
 
Άρα αξιοπρεπές!
Θα την προτείνω σε έναν φίλο και θα σας πω εντυπώσεις και από κοντά!

Άμα πέσει λίγο και η 60άρα....
 
LG 50PK550
Black level: 0.0132 fL (0.045 cd/mq)
Ansi Contrast ratio: 2000:1

Panasonic 54S2
Black level: 0.009 fL (0.03 cd/mq)
Ansi Contrast ratio: 1203:1

Panasonic 50G25
Black level: 0.0083 fL (0.028 cd/mq)
Ansi Contrast ratio: 1663:1

Μια σύντομη σύγκριση από τις μετρήσεις στο avsforum.
Καταραμένη κρίση!
 
Conclusion

LG's flagship 2010 Plasma model carries over the usual comprehensive calibration controls from previous ranges, and also brings a much needed improvement to black level, which makes on-screen images, especially in dark scenes, more satisfying than previous models.
Unfortunately, image retention is still an irritating issue, and intrusive video processing, while not entirely devastating, is completely unnecessary, especially on what is supposed to be a flagship model. Beyond these quirks, there's enough to like: colour accuracy is excellent, and the 20-point Greyscale calibration control brings Reference quality performance in this area. The THX mode also allows users who don't want to pay for calibration to see video quality that's nearly as good.
The biggest problem for LG, though, is that little of these strengths are unique to them any more. In the past, LG's calibration controls set them apart, especially from one other major Plasma manufacturer, but the competition has now caught up and has even outdone LG in the colour accuracy stakes. (LG's 20-point Greyscale calibration control is still a unique feature, though).
Ultimately, like so many things, your buying decision will come down to price. At around £1500, the 50PK990 is around £100-200 more expensive than Panasonic's mid-range TX-P50G20, which is a better display in just about every regard. Were LG's display to be cheaper, it would qualify for a recommendation based on its favourable attributes, but the truth is that there's at least one better display out there that can be had for less money - and thanks to LG's insistence on tampering with video signals, which does them absolutely no favours at all, there's likely to be more still to come.
 
Διαβάζω για παρόμοια εικόνα G20 με PK550.

Αν ισχύει αυτό, και έρχονται έστω και σχεδόν στα ίδια, σημαίνει ότι η LG έκανε άλλο ένα άλμα εμπρός. Λέτε οι Κούρο να το βρουν από αλλού;

Έχει δει κανείς καινούρια πλάσμα LG από κοντά;
 
Στο apothema.gr 1577 μετρητοις η 60pk550.... Με τρώει άγρια η τσέπη, έχει ψωνίσει κανείς από εκεί;

Λέω να συγκρατηθώ για τις τιμές της 60άρας 750, ή για κάτι καλύτερο στην 550.

Στα 1500 τραβάω τη σκανδάλη κι όποιον πάρει ο χάρος!
 
Χλωμό να έχει Το ίδιο το ελληνικό site της LG δεν το αναφέρει
Ούτε Το THX.com λέει για την 550 :hmmmm2:

Το αμερικάνικο μοντέλο σίγουρα δεν έχει