---My Personal Raidho---

Που να τ' ακούσω ρε συ? Ούτε και τα 800. Η εδώ αντιπροσωπεία δεν με "διευκόλυνε" στο να τ' ακούσω (τα 800) και ο Χρήστος που τα έχει είχε τρεχάματα (καλό κουράγιο του εύχομαι). Τα LCD3 με εντυπωσίασαν αλλά το ένα - και μοναδικό - πλην (ήτοι η "κοντινή" / "εγγύς" αναπαράσταση των μουσικών δρώμενων, και όχι η τιμή) με απέτρεψαν τελικά. Αποφάσισα λοιπόν να ρισκάρω για τα 6 δεδομένου και της τελικής συνισταμένης που αποκόμισα από τις απόψεις κατόχων στο διαδίκτυο.
 
Μιλώντας αναφορικά με τις σχετικά αρνητικές κριτικές των κορυφαίων Hifiman (στο Innerfidelity), αδυνατώ να παραλείψω το γεγονός ότι στις ακροάσεις, αλλά και στις συνοδευόμενες μετρήσεις, χρησιμοποιήθηκε ένας πανάκριβος ενισχυτής ακουστικών (Apex Pinnacle των $10k, ο οποίος προορίζεται κυρίως για δυναμικά και όχι ορθοδυναμικά ακουστικά) με μέγιστη ισχύ εξόδου 1.7 W (!) αλλά και αντίστασης εξόδου 16 Ω (!!!!!!).
Τη στιγμή μάλιστα που τα μεγάλα Hifiman (45 Ω) απαιτούν σημαντικά "περιθώρια" ισχύος (τουλάχιστον 3 dB) για να παίξουν σωστά. Ένα ασφαλές περιθώριο είναι τα 5 W @ 50 Ω (ισοδυναμεί με περίπου 30 W @ 8 Ω), με στόχο την κάλυψη στιγμιαίων κορυφών χωρίς προβλήματα.
Συγκεκριμένα, στο διαδίκτυο επισημαίνεται εκτενώς αυτό το πρόβλημα (της οδήγησης) σαν την κύρια αιτία των αντικρουόμενων απόψεων όσο αναφορά στην απόδοση των συγκεκριμένων ακουστικών. Η σύνδεση όμως των Hifiman σε κλασσικούς ενισχυτές ηχείων φαίνεται να φανερώνει το caliber αλλά και τις πραγματικές δυνατότητές τους. Μήπως οι ιδανικοί ενισχυτές ακουστικών βρίσκονται ήδη στα σπίτια μας?
 
Οτι πρέπει να διαλέξεις ανάμεσα απο πολλούς που θα μπορούσαν να βρίσκονται στο σπίτι. ...ελα μου ομως που βρίσκονται ένας αντε δυο...
 
Από τον γνωστό David Mahler:
(http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/bat...ompared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13)

"One of the most significant features of the Woo Audio 5 is its K1K output, which was designed specifically in order to meet the power demands of AKG's K1000 headphone. This output pumps 8 watts per channel into 140 ohms impedance. However, since the release of this amp, other headphones have been introduced which are equally (if not more) demanding than the K1000, i.e., the HE-6 by HifiMan. The Woo Audio 5 powers the HE-6 brilliantly; it is presently the only amp with which I pair the HE-6. This is one of my favorite pairings."

Είναι ίσως ο μόνος εξειδικευμένος ενισχυτής "δύσκολων" ακουστικών, όπως τα HE-6 (45 Ω / 83.5 dB) και K1000 (120 Ω / 74 dB).
 
Με γεια σου Σταύρο! Μακάρι να έκανες την καλύτερη επιλογή! Κατευθείαν από την εταιρία τα πήρες;
 
Όχι μπροστά, αλλά η αίσθηση του "όλα-διαδραματίζονται-μεταξύ-των-αφτιών", όπως χαρακτηριστικά αναφέρει και ο Δ. Σταματάκος για τα LCD-2.
 
Για πες μου μερικούς (Arcam?, Tripath?). Και να δούμε τι ακριβώς παίζει και τι όχι στην περίπτωσή σου.

Ο.τι περασε κατα καιρούς απο τη σοφίτα δοκιμαστηκε. Κυρια ενας τελικός arcam d290p κάτι μονομπλοκ marantz pma500 νομίζω ενας παλιός γιαπωνεζικος ολοκληρωμενος 2*40 ενας denon home theatre και ενας midi και φυσικα οι trends. Επισης ενας λαμπατος ολοκληρωμενος με el34.
Μεχρι στιγμης κερδίζει ο arcam με αντιστάσεις.
Ομως τα συμπερασματα μου της τελευταιας χρονιας σε καθε επιπεδο ειναι το matching. Αλλα πολυ κουραστικη δουλειά καθως ανακαλυπτω οτι το καθε ακουστικο η ηχειο αναδεκνυεται η καταβαραθρωνεται με τον αναλογο ενισχυτή
 
Από τον γνωστό David Mahler:
(http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/bat...ompared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13)

"One of the most significant features of the Woo Audio 5 is its K1K output, which was designed specifically in order to meet the power demands of AKG's K1000 headphone. This output pumps 8 watts per channel into 140 ohms impedance. However, since the release of this amp, other headphones have been introduced which are equally (if not more) demanding than the K1000, i.e., the HE-6 by HifiMan. The Woo Audio 5 powers the HE-6 brilliantly; it is presently the only amp with which I pair the HE-6. This is one of my favorite pairings."

Είναι ίσως ο μόνος εξειδικευμένος ενισχυτής "δύσκολων" ακουστικών, όπως τα HE-6 (45 Ω / 83.5 dB) και K1000 (120 Ω / 74 dB).

Αχ αυτος ο woo audio5...απο τη μερα που ήρθαν τα χιλιάρια με κυνηγάει. ..αλλα δεν μπορώ και μάλλον ποτε δεν θα του τα διαθεσω
 
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Tο ιδιο setup με ακουστικά ...δεν.
Αντιθετα με ακουστικα επρεπε η αλυσίδα να σταματήσει στο fiio.
Τυπικο θεμα matching....
Πως μπλεξαμε παλι...
 
Το βουβαλι ειναι σε αλλη αλυσιδα:
Nas》squeezebox server》 macmini》 squeezebox》 i2s》 βουβαλι 》lovely cube κλπ....
Και ειναι πλεον αποκλειστικης εισοδου i2s.
Ασε εχω μπλεξει εχοντας δώσει κυριο βάρος στο matching καθε σταδίου.
Καθε πηγη αλλο setup...
 
Και ένα εξαιρετικά ενδιαφέρον review στο οποίο αναφέρεται ότι τα HE-6 είναι πιο δύσκολα (σαν φορτία) και από τα .... Κ1000:

"I'm not sure when I got these, or how I came across them, but when I first heard them out of a really high-end rig ($5-$10k+) blew my mind. I already had the HD800s and K1Ks and was literally shocked at how amazing the sound stage on these were. Then I went home.

Here are some key insights that you need to consider before purchasing these cans:
1) Almost impossible to drive; don't buy if you aren't ready to shell out for a very nice amp. Like another reviewer mentioned, these are actually harder to drive than the K1000s. I know that's hard to believe and the math doesn't quite add up but it's true. Off of my Jonokuchi, the K1Ks had more than adequate power and were too loud at 9 o'clock. The HE-6s, however, had to be basically cranked to the max in order to even get them to a pleasurable listening level.

I want to spend more time on this point because it's such an important point. It is also the reason why HiFiMAN offered a speaker wire adapter for these because there are few amps under $5,000 that can power these without using that method. For this reason, I think many people have been negative about HE-6s because they never get an optimal setup for them. I've seen more than one owner of a high-end US amplifier company been completely blown away by these to the point where he actually gave them the edge over HD800s (the headphone he based most of his audio lineup off of).

The cheapest, and surprisingly one of the best amps that I tried was the Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 amp. Yes, it's a kit amp, but you can also pay for it to be built by one of their engineers. The kit starts at $539, and even at $1,500 would be an incredible deal. It powers these like no other, no speaker cable needed. Not only does it provide sufficient power but it makes them sing. Yes, a lot of the other solid state or really high-end amps were great too, but for some reason this amp stood out in the crowd.

Again, similar to the HE-500s the build quality just seems lacking when compared to the competitors. The HD800s, LCD-2/3s, and even the T1s seem much more durable and well-constructed. I had to get a replacement headband since the headband has a rim to it that can easily wear. It's not a big deal, but it seems like it should be better given the price you pay.

For those that own the HE-500, I think you're doing a disservice to not buy or at least experience the HE-6 on a good system. It takes everything great about the HE-500 and magnifies it by 5x. If you can't afford to buy these and an amp, then DO NOT BUY. You will be extremely disappointed and even if you can scrounge up money, it will take a while before you find one that you like."
 
Και ένα εξαιρετικά ενδιαφέρον review στο οποίο αναφέρεται ότι τα HE-6 είναι πιο δύσκολα (σαν φορτία) και από τα .... Κ1000:

"I'm not sure when I got these, or how I came across them, but when I first heard them out of a really high-end rig ($5-$10k+) blew my mind. I already had the HD800s and K1Ks and was literally shocked at how amazing the sound stage on these were. Then I went home.

Here are some key insights that you need to consider before purchasing these cans:
1) Almost impossible to drive; don't buy if you aren't ready to shell out for a very nice amp. Like another reviewer mentioned, these are actually harder to drive than the K1000s. I know that's hard to believe and the math doesn't quite add up but it's true. Off of my Jonokuchi, the K1Ks had more than adequate power and were too loud at 9 o'clock. The HE-6s, however, had to be basically cranked to the max in order to even get them to a pleasurable listening level.

I want to spend more time on this point because it's such an important point. It is also the reason why HiFiMAN offered a speaker wire adapter for these because there are few amps under $5,000 that can power these without using that method. For this reason, I think many people have been negative about HE-6s because they never get an optimal setup for them. I've seen more than one owner of a high-end US amplifier company been completely blown away by these to the point where he actually gave them the edge over HD800s (the headphone he based most of his audio lineup off of).

The cheapest, and surprisingly one of the best amps that I tried was the Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 amp. Yes, it's a kit amp, but you can also pay for it to be built by one of their engineers. The kit starts at $539, and even at $1,500 would be an incredible deal. It powers these like no other, no speaker cable needed. Not only does it provide sufficient power but it makes them sing. Yes, a lot of the other solid state or really high-end amps were great too, but for some reason this amp stood out in the crowd.

Again, similar to the HE-500s the build quality just seems lacking when compared to the competitors. The HD800s, LCD-2/3s, and even the T1s seem much more durable and well-constructed. I had to get a replacement headband since the headband has a rim to it that can easily wear. It's not a big deal, but it seems like it should be better given the price you pay.

For those that own the HE-500, I think you're doing a disservice to not buy or at least experience the HE-6 on a good system. It takes everything great about the HE-500 and magnifies it by 5x. If you can't afford to buy these and an amp, then DO NOT BUY. You will be extremely disappointed and even if you can scrounge up money, it will take a while before you find one that you like."

Πολύ ενδιαφέρον!. Αντε να τα δοκιμάσεις να μας πεις αν όντως ισχύουν τα υπερθετικά σχόλια, μήπως σπρώξω τον υφιστάμενο εξοπλισμό (LCD 2, HD800, HE500, VIOLECTRIC V200) και πάω και εγώ για τα he 6 με απευεθείας σύνδεση στον τελικό.